From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Feb 4 12:02:55 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: All, Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something like 6% come April. Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor (Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. I thought I'd throw this out to the list, and then if the list discussion is sufficient to consider this, the board could authorize some sub-committee to start working on this. Tom P.S. I realize that perhaps what may be needed is a break-out session at the next NWHeat meeting on converting Mac users to Windows (and this may not be a bad session) but I'm still a loyal Mac user, so I'm hangin' in there. At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the >Organizer. > > So... > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > --Bret > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dvotaw at georgefox.edu Tue Feb 4 11:40:05 1997 From: dvotaw at georgefox.edu (Dave Votaw) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <1357066453-5310745@pete.georgefox.edu> >Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently >received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no >less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, >that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we >weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something >like 6% come April. > >Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any >when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder >if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor >(Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an >agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat >members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. We have received copies of this new policy also. Because of our school's large annual investment in Mac systems, we are still well above the $500K mark needed to maintain the best discount. But we don't know how long that will continue. My best guess right now (this is not a commitment) is that we will spend at least that much money for one more year on Mac OS machines. But there's a good chance that the money might be spent on a clone such as Power Computing or UMax or somebody else. We would be interested in participating in a purchasing consortium for at least one year at that level. We will probably buy the computers, spending about $400 - $500K, sometime between March and July of this year. --Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Votaw (dvotaw@georgefox.edu) (503)538-8383 ext. 2571 Dir. Computer Services George Fox University From ingerman at lclark.edu Tue Feb 4 12:40:20 1997 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too received the Apple letter. Our annual committment is above the number they set so we will continue to purchase on the contract we have with them. I am very interested in exploring consortial purchasing as well as that may offer added advantages (or stability). Two interesting observations (at least I think they are interesting ;-> ): 1. With Apples planned reorganiztion into fewer organizational units, one probably being Education, will they rethink this policy of only offering lower prices if you meet a goal. After all, this is truly biting the hand that has sustained them. 2. I am sure you all received a mailing about the Apple roadshow where they will attempt to explain their committment to Higher Ed and explain their product and OS strategy. I think, however, that we should be worried as the url they give for obtaining more information points to a nonexistent file. If any of you are going to the Portland event, do you want to get together for lunch afterwards? --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dvotaw at georgefox.edu Tue Feb 4 13:58:30 1997 From: dvotaw at georgefox.edu (Dave Votaw) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <1357058147-5810393@pete.georgefox.edu> > If any of you are going to the Portland event, do you want to get >together for lunch afterwards? > > --Bret Yes, I'd like to. My attendance at the lunch may depend on who comes with me to the seminar, however. I'll keep you posted. --Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Votaw (dvotaw@georgefox.edu) (503)538-8383 ext. 2571 Dir. Computer Services George Fox University From Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU Tue Feb 4 15:24:21 1997 From: Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU (Marianne Colgrove) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <2497709@isis.Reed.EDU> We didn't receive such a letter, but I nonetheless thinks its a bonehead move on Apple's part. Mary Erichsen encouraged us to send feedback to her in writing, which she will bump up the Apple chain of command. Apple tried to do this a couple of years ago and then backed off the face of significant negative reaction. Its not too late this time either! Marianne Colgrove mcolgrove@reed.edu --- You wrote: Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something like 6% come April. Have others received such a letter? --- end of quoted material --- From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Feb 4 16:53:06 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: Hmm -- perhaps a letter from NWHeat would help -- something formal from the board. How's that sound to all? Tom At 6:19 AM 2/4/97, Marianne Colgrove wrote: >We didn't receive such a letter, but I nonetheless thinks its a bonehead move >on Apple's part. Mary Erichsen encouraged us to send feedback to her in >writing, which she will bump up the Apple chain of command. Apple tried to do >this a couple of years ago and then backed off the face of significant negative >reaction. Its not too late this time either! > >Marianne Colgrove >mcolgrove@reed.edu > >--- You wrote: >Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently >received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no >less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, >that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we >weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something >like 6% come April. > >Have others received such a letter? >--- end of quoted material --- From Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU Tue Feb 4 15:39:35 1997 From: Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU (Marianne Colgrove) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <2497900@isis.Reed.EDU> Sounds like a good thing to me. Marianne --- Tom Aldrich wrote: Hmm -- perhaps a letter from NWHeat would help -- something formal from the board. How's that sound to all? Tom At 6:19 AM 2/4/97, Marianne Colgrove wrote: >We didn't receive such a letter, but I nonetheless thinks its a bonehead move >on Apple's part. Mary Erichsen encouraged us to send feedback to her in >writing, which she will bump up the Apple chain of command. Apple tried to do >this a couple of years ago and then backed off the face of significant negative >reaction. Its not too late this time either! > >Marianne Colgrove >mcolgrove@reed.edu > >--- You wrote: >Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently >received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no >less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, >that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we >weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something >like 6% come April. > >Have others received such a letter? >--- end of quoted material --- --- end of quoted material --- From kpitter at willamette.edu Tue Feb 4 16:31:09 1997 From: kpitter at willamette.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: read everyone else's response and thought I should reply as well. At Willamette, Apple resale is not in the computing center, but with the Bookstore. After seeing the post, I asked our bookstore manager..and he said he was told about this 6% increase...but that they might be able to make exception for us because we were so close to this $500,000 mark. I am for consortial approach.. I've always felt that there's power in groups. I will be attending the Apple thingy in Salem, however. let me know what you folks discuss at your lunch. --> Keiko On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Tom Aldrich wrote: > All, > > Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently > received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no > less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, > that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we > weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something > like 6% come April. > > Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any > when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder > if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor > (Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an > agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat > members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. > > I thought I'd throw this out to the list, and then if the list discussion > is sufficient to consider this, the board could authorize some > sub-committee to start working on this. > > Tom > > P.S. I realize that perhaps what may be needed is a break-out session at > the next NWHeat meeting on converting Mac users to Windows (and this may > not be a bad session) but I'm still a loyal Mac user, so I'm hangin' in > there. > > At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > >Organizer. > > > > So... > > > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > > > --Bret > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Tue Feb 4 08:43:04 1997 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <01IF0WQ8B91Y005THP@plu.edu> The 2 cents from our area is somewhat similar to Willamette. Our resale is in the bookstore as well but the administrative and academic sides are heavily IBM. We don't support macs unless they're in our own departmentally supported classroom and open lab. I've been forwarding the information from this listserv to the folks in charge of sales. Good discussion! Margaret >>>>>>snip<<<<<<< > read everyone else's response and thought I should reply as well. > At Willamette, Apple resale is not in the computing center, but with the > Bookstore. After seeing the post, I asked our bookstore manager..and he > said he was told about this 6% increase...but that they might be able to > make exception for us because we were so close to this $500,000 mark. > > I am for consortial approach.. I've always felt that there's power in > groups. I will be attending the Apple thingy in Salem, however. let me > know what you folks discuss at your lunch. > > --> Keiko > > > > > On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Tom Aldrich wrote: > > > All, > > > > Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently > > received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no > > less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, > > that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we > > weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something > > like 6% come April. > > > > Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any > > when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder > > if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor > > (Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an > > agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat > > members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. > > > > I thought I'd throw this out to the list, and then if the list discussion > > is sufficient to consider this, the board could authorize some > > sub-committee to start working on this. > > > > Tom > > > > P.S. I realize that perhaps what may be needed is a break-out session at > > the next NWHeat meeting on converting Mac users to Windows (and this may > > not be a bad session) but I'm still a loyal Mac user, so I'm hangin' in > > there. > > > > At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > > > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > > >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > > >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > > >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > > >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > > >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > > >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > > >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > > >Organizer. > > > > > > So... > > > > > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > > >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > > > > > --Bret > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > > > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > > > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > > > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > > > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > > > USA > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > From pietrasp at elwha.evergreen.edu Tue Feb 25 09:30:24 1997 From: pietrasp at elwha.evergreen.edu (Pete Pietras) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Spring NWHEAT Meeting April 18 at Evergreen State College Message-ID: The Spring NWHEAT meeting will be held at The Evegreen State College on April 18, 1997. Work is still progessing on the agenda. If you have topic or session suggestions please get them to me asap. Additional information, reminders, agenda, how to get here and the like will be following over the next month. Please put this on your schedule. Take care and have a great week. pete From aldrich at ups.edu Wed Feb 26 09:09:12 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Letter to Apple on CPP and Apple Actions Message-ID: All, Earlier in the month, we kicked around some of the recent Apple moves, and after a bit of electronic discussion the board worked out a letter to Apple. We sent this letter to Mary Erichsen on February 13, by which time she was already putting in requests to corporate for exceptions to the new $500,000 limit for NW-HEAT schools. Thanks to all that lobbied her during that time. Keiko and I talked to Mary yesterday on the phone, and we understand that she has put in for exceptions for all NW-HEAT schools that had a formal relationship with Apple. We are still waiting from corporate on approval, but are hopeful that the exceptions will go through. Mary also expressed her appreciation for the letter; she has forwarded it on to other key people at Apple, and we hope that it can help small schools outside of our region also. Tom (for Keiko and Tom) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NWHEAT_letter_to_Apple-WinWord2 Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 32026 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.nw-heat.org/pipermail/nw-heat/attachments/19970226/9c4031fd/NWHEAT_letter_to_Apple-WinWord2.bin From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Feb 4 12:02:55 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: All, Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something like 6% come April. Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor (Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. I thought I'd throw this out to the list, and then if the list discussion is sufficient to consider this, the board could authorize some sub-committee to start working on this. Tom P.S. I realize that perhaps what may be needed is a break-out session at the next NWHeat meeting on converting Mac users to Windows (and this may not be a bad session) but I'm still a loyal Mac user, so I'm hangin' in there. At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the >Organizer. > > So... > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > --Bret > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dvotaw at georgefox.edu Tue Feb 4 11:40:05 1997 From: dvotaw at georgefox.edu (Dave Votaw) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <1357066453-5310745@pete.georgefox.edu> >Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently >received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no >less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, >that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we >weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something >like 6% come April. > >Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any >when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder >if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor >(Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an >agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat >members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. We have received copies of this new policy also. Because of our school's large annual investment in Mac systems, we are still well above the $500K mark needed to maintain the best discount. But we don't know how long that will continue. My best guess right now (this is not a commitment) is that we will spend at least that much money for one more year on Mac OS machines. But there's a good chance that the money might be spent on a clone such as Power Computing or UMax or somebody else. We would be interested in participating in a purchasing consortium for at least one year at that level. We will probably buy the computers, spending about $400 - $500K, sometime between March and July of this year. --Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Votaw (dvotaw@georgefox.edu) (503)538-8383 ext. 2571 Dir. Computer Services George Fox University From ingerman at lclark.edu Tue Feb 4 12:40:20 1997 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too received the Apple letter. Our annual committment is above the number they set so we will continue to purchase on the contract we have with them. I am very interested in exploring consortial purchasing as well as that may offer added advantages (or stability). Two interesting observations (at least I think they are interesting ;-> ): 1. With Apples planned reorganiztion into fewer organizational units, one probably being Education, will they rethink this policy of only offering lower prices if you meet a goal. After all, this is truly biting the hand that has sustained them. 2. I am sure you all received a mailing about the Apple roadshow where they will attempt to explain their committment to Higher Ed and explain their product and OS strategy. I think, however, that we should be worried as the url they give for obtaining more information points to a nonexistent file. If any of you are going to the Portland event, do you want to get together for lunch afterwards? --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dvotaw at georgefox.edu Tue Feb 4 13:58:30 1997 From: dvotaw at georgefox.edu (Dave Votaw) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <1357058147-5810393@pete.georgefox.edu> > If any of you are going to the Portland event, do you want to get >together for lunch afterwards? > > --Bret Yes, I'd like to. My attendance at the lunch may depend on who comes with me to the seminar, however. I'll keep you posted. --Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Votaw (dvotaw@georgefox.edu) (503)538-8383 ext. 2571 Dir. Computer Services George Fox University From Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU Tue Feb 4 15:24:21 1997 From: Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU (Marianne Colgrove) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <2497709@isis.Reed.EDU> We didn't receive such a letter, but I nonetheless thinks its a bonehead move on Apple's part. Mary Erichsen encouraged us to send feedback to her in writing, which she will bump up the Apple chain of command. Apple tried to do this a couple of years ago and then backed off the face of significant negative reaction. Its not too late this time either! Marianne Colgrove mcolgrove@reed.edu --- You wrote: Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something like 6% come April. Have others received such a letter? --- end of quoted material --- From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Feb 4 16:53:06 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: Hmm -- perhaps a letter from NWHeat would help -- something formal from the board. How's that sound to all? Tom At 6:19 AM 2/4/97, Marianne Colgrove wrote: >We didn't receive such a letter, but I nonetheless thinks its a bonehead move >on Apple's part. Mary Erichsen encouraged us to send feedback to her in >writing, which she will bump up the Apple chain of command. Apple tried to do >this a couple of years ago and then backed off the face of significant negative >reaction. Its not too late this time either! > >Marianne Colgrove >mcolgrove@reed.edu > >--- You wrote: >Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently >received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no >less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, >that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we >weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something >like 6% come April. > >Have others received such a letter? >--- end of quoted material --- From Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU Tue Feb 4 15:39:35 1997 From: Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU (Marianne Colgrove) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <2497900@isis.Reed.EDU> Sounds like a good thing to me. Marianne --- Tom Aldrich wrote: Hmm -- perhaps a letter from NWHeat would help -- something formal from the board. How's that sound to all? Tom At 6:19 AM 2/4/97, Marianne Colgrove wrote: >We didn't receive such a letter, but I nonetheless thinks its a bonehead move >on Apple's part. Mary Erichsen encouraged us to send feedback to her in >writing, which she will bump up the Apple chain of command. Apple tried to do >this a couple of years ago and then backed off the face of significant negative >reaction. Its not too late this time either! > >Marianne Colgrove >mcolgrove@reed.edu > >--- You wrote: >Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently >received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no >less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, >that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we >weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something >like 6% come April. > >Have others received such a letter? >--- end of quoted material --- --- end of quoted material --- From kpitter at willamette.edu Tue Feb 4 16:31:09 1997 From: kpitter at willamette.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: read everyone else's response and thought I should reply as well. At Willamette, Apple resale is not in the computing center, but with the Bookstore. After seeing the post, I asked our bookstore manager..and he said he was told about this 6% increase...but that they might be able to make exception for us because we were so close to this $500,000 mark. I am for consortial approach.. I've always felt that there's power in groups. I will be attending the Apple thingy in Salem, however. let me know what you folks discuss at your lunch. --> Keiko On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Tom Aldrich wrote: > All, > > Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently > received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no > less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, > that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we > weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something > like 6% come April. > > Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any > when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder > if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor > (Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an > agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat > members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. > > I thought I'd throw this out to the list, and then if the list discussion > is sufficient to consider this, the board could authorize some > sub-committee to start working on this. > > Tom > > P.S. I realize that perhaps what may be needed is a break-out session at > the next NWHeat meeting on converting Mac users to Windows (and this may > not be a bad session) but I'm still a loyal Mac user, so I'm hangin' in > there. > > At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > >Organizer. > > > > So... > > > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > > > --Bret > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Tue Feb 4 08:43:04 1997 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <01IF0WQ8B91Y005THP@plu.edu> The 2 cents from our area is somewhat similar to Willamette. Our resale is in the bookstore as well but the administrative and academic sides are heavily IBM. We don't support macs unless they're in our own departmentally supported classroom and open lab. I've been forwarding the information from this listserv to the folks in charge of sales. Good discussion! Margaret >>>>>>snip<<<<<<< > read everyone else's response and thought I should reply as well. > At Willamette, Apple resale is not in the computing center, but with the > Bookstore. After seeing the post, I asked our bookstore manager..and he > said he was told about this 6% increase...but that they might be able to > make exception for us because we were so close to this $500,000 mark. > > I am for consortial approach.. I've always felt that there's power in > groups. I will be attending the Apple thingy in Salem, however. let me > know what you folks discuss at your lunch. > > --> Keiko > > > > > On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Tom Aldrich wrote: > > > All, > > > > Here's a followup on the topic Bret raised a few weeks ago. We recently > > received a little love note from Apple (in advance of Valentine's day no > > less) indicating to us that Apple had restructured their discount programs, > > that they were setting a new volume level of $500,000, and that because we > > weren't meeting a $500,000 volume we would see price increases of something > > like 6% come April. > > > > Have others received such a letter? Has Apple softened their stance any > > when you've talked to them? I'm in no great hurry to do this, but I wonder > > if perhaps NWHeat schools could work together on selecting a Mac vendor > > (Apple, PowerComputing, UMAX, whatever), a Mac OS, and then sign an > > agreement (or perhaps work with NWACC on this) to pool the volume of NWHeat > > members to get good prices on our agreed-upon product. > > > > I thought I'd throw this out to the list, and then if the list discussion > > is sufficient to consider this, the board could authorize some > > sub-committee to start working on this. > > > > Tom > > > > P.S. I realize that perhaps what may be needed is a break-out session at > > the next NWHeat meeting on converting Mac users to Windows (and this may > > not be a bad session) but I'm still a loyal Mac user, so I'm hangin' in > > there. > > > > At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > > > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > > >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > > >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > > >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > > >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > > >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > > >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > > >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > > >Organizer. > > > > > > So... > > > > > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > > >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > > > > > --Bret > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > > > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > > > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > > > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > > > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > > > USA > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > From pietrasp at elwha.evergreen.edu Tue Feb 25 09:30:24 1997 From: pietrasp at elwha.evergreen.edu (Pete Pietras) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Spring NWHEAT Meeting April 18 at Evergreen State College Message-ID: The Spring NWHEAT meeting will be held at The Evegreen State College on April 18, 1997. Work is still progessing on the agenda. If you have topic or session suggestions please get them to me asap. Additional information, reminders, agenda, how to get here and the like will be following over the next month. Please put this on your schedule. Take care and have a great week. pete From aldrich at ups.edu Wed Feb 26 09:09:12 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Letter to Apple on CPP and Apple Actions Message-ID: All, Earlier in the month, we kicked around some of the recent Apple moves, and after a bit of electronic discussion the board worked out a letter to Apple. We sent this letter to Mary Erichsen on February 13, by which time she was already putting in requests to corporate for exceptions to the new $500,000 limit for NW-HEAT schools. Thanks to all that lobbied her during that time. Keiko and I talked to Mary yesterday on the phone, and we understand that she has put in for exceptions for all NW-HEAT schools that had a formal relationship with Apple. We are still waiting from corporate on approval, but are hopeful that the exceptions will go through. Mary also expressed her appreciation for the letter; she has forwarded it on to other key people at Apple, and we hope that it can help small schools outside of our region also. Tom (for Keiko and Tom) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NWHEAT_letter_to_Apple-WinWord2 Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 32026 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.nw-heat.org/pipermail/nw-heat/attachments/19970226/9c4031fd/NWHEAT_letter_to_Apple-WinWord2.hqx