From kpitter at willamette.edu Fri Jan 3 17:25:09 1997 From: kpitter at willamette.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: down-link (fwd) Message-ID: Willamette did not post the response to the list. It just occured to me that we should have... the response was posted by Marti Morandi who is the Director of Production and Operations for WITS. --> Keiko ********************** > I just received a request from the French department to develop a cost > estimatefor a satellite down-link to bring French language programs into > one > of the dorms (and possibly some classrooms). Do you have down-links on > your campuses and, if so, can you give me any info on: > 1. where you purchased the dish and other hardware; We purchased our two large dishes from Keen Communications in Albany. Dave Keen has since installed DSS dishes on all of our dorms. 541-926-6581. > 2. who handled installation; Dave Keen handled the installation. > 3. what other costs were involved (e.g., cabling, etc.); His quote will include all needed hardware and installation charges. The dish, the receiver, the mounts, decoder, rack mounts, etc. were all included in the estimate. > 4. anyone I should speak with who has a lot of experience with this type of > thing in the Portland area.? The people at Public Broadcasting has lots of satellite installation with EDNET. Steve Johnson (used to be) the contact person there. > Many thanks for any info you can provide. Marti Marti Morandi, Director Production and Operations Willamette Integrated Technology Services Willamette University Salem, OR 97301 (503)370-6650/mmorandi@willamette.edu From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Jan 20 08:34:56 1997 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from 11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the Organizer. So... What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dtindall at paul.spu.edu Mon Jan 20 10:25:09 1997 From: dtindall at paul.spu.edu (Dave Tindall) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Bret Ingerman wrote: > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > 11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > Organizer. > > So... > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > --Bret We are maintaining our position to support both Mac and Wintel (Windows has about 80% for SPU market share) in both the lab settings and for individual (faculty/staff) purchases. We have been a CPP1 Reseller of Mac's for a number of years. This business has gone "down the tubes" in the last 12 months. Our "resale" operation is down **70%** from last year to the current year. We are currently in the process of closing down the Apple Resale program on our campus because the sales volume (and the meager markup rates) don't come anywhere near supporting the cost of the program (staffing, inventory, sales promotion, etc..). By-the-way, I expect the news to get WORSE for Apple, before it gets BETTER. They have some significant challenges over the next six months to assure financial viability in the current competitive marketplace. --Dave ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dave Tindall + + + Executive Director + SPU Web Server: + + Computer & Information Systems + http://www.spu.edu/ + + Seattle Pacific University + + + http://paul.spu.edu/~dtindall/ + CIS HelpDesk: + + Internet: dtindall@spu.edu + (206)281-2982 + + Phone/Voice Mail: (206)281-2239 + help@spu.edu + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dvotaw at georgefox.edu Mon Jan 20 10:50:51 1997 From: dvotaw at georgefox.edu (Dave Votaw) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <1358365393-15464247@pete.georgefox.edu> Bret Ingerman writes: > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? We are staying with the Apple platform, at least for now, while planning a transition to Windows that we hope will be slow and easy. Well, we don't REALLY expect that, but it's nice to try! We will purchase Windows systems for some administrative offices this summer, and we hope to increase our Help Desk staff to handle Windows support next fall. We are moving as many software systems to the Web as we can, in order to minimize platform issues. We plan to offer Windows systems, for the first time, as an option for our Computers Across the Curriculum program, for both new faculty and new students. I have a Windows 95 system on my desk, for the first time. I like it. :-) --Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Votaw (dvotaw@georgefox.edu) (503)538-8383 ext. 2571 Dir. Computer Services George Fox University From Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU Mon Jan 20 11:26:42 1997 From: Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU (Marianne Colgrove) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <2393411@isis.Reed.EDU> Right now we are continuing to buy Macs, though we are putting Windows sytems on the network (with much agony) and are generally working on improving our expertise with Windows. Our student Mac sales are up this year. Marianne mcolgrove@reed.edu From kpitter at willamette.edu Mon Jan 20 11:34:25 1997 From: kpitter at willamette.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Currently we are supporting both Mac and Wintel. Where I can, I'm encouraging people to shift to Wintel.. I met with my new Apples sales rep (yep... a new one again) last week. I feel very uncertain about their future at this point... Apple folks smiled a lot as a reply to my inquiries about their future. Wrote down all my concerns (yeah, right). --> Keiko From SKOMSKY at shuttle.admcs.wwu.edu Tue Jan 21 08:04:00 1997 From: SKOMSKY at shuttle.admcs.wwu.edu (Susan Komsky) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <32E4E977@shuttle.admcs.wwu.edu> Western has only about 20% Mac and 80% Windows. At the moment, I expect we will continue to let users purchase whichever platform they desire --- though we have had continual problems with the Performa and have begun to get that word out to users. Our next major lab purchases will be next year, so I'm hoping we can see some direction by then. Susan ---------- From: nw-heat To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Apple's Future Date: Monday, January 20, 1997 7:29AM As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from 11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the Organizer. So... What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Jan 21 10:55:15 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: Bret, We have yet to confront this issue, but will need to do so shortly and I'm glad you brought this to the list. At our school, faculty and staff choose on their own which machine to buy, and most of them seem to have followed the gradual decline of Apple. I would imagine that we might continue to buy Apples, but make folks aware of the problems if they don't know yet, as well as explore other options, perhaps including a PowerComputing machine running Be. Tom P.S. Personally, a Mac OS interface layered on top of a UNIX operating system running on a risk chip sounds like a dream machine to me, but then again my dream car was always the Cord L29, and you know how many of those you see these days. At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the >Organizer. > > So... > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > --Bret > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From weisman at pacificu.edu Wed Jan 22 08:51:33 1997 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I suppose we here at Pacific are hedging our bets. Ted Krupicka from my staff will probably weigh in here. Basically, we're committed to Apple where we have a choice, but our operational policies are geared specifically to support platform independent technologies (and a reason we're interested in the new WordPerfect, which is Java-based). I'd say that we're 97% Mac, but that is shifting about 5%/year due to outside forces. Those students who bring their own machines are in the majority bringing PCs. One thing we are really working on is a detailed understanding of exactly how much more PCs are costing us to manage and maintain. I personally don't think it's the very high numbers we're seeing in the press, but it is significantly higher than the Macs at a lot of different levels. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-2959 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tom Aldrich wrote: > Bret, > > We have yet to confront this issue, but will need to do so shortly and I'm > glad you brought this to the list. At our school, faculty and staff choose > on their own which machine to buy, and most of them seem to have followed > the gradual decline of Apple. > > I would imagine that we might continue to buy Apples, but make folks aware > of the problems if they don't know yet, as well as explore other options, > perhaps including a PowerComputing machine running Be. > > Tom > > > P.S. Personally, a Mac OS interface layered on top of a UNIX operating > system running on a risk chip sounds like a dream machine to me, but then > again my dream car was always the Cord L29, and you know how many of those > you see these days. > > > At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > >Organizer. > > > > So... > > > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > > > --Bret > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Thu Jan 23 00:37:42 1997 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's future Message-ID: <01IEJO9YUBG6002HV6@plu.edu> Our campus is predominately IBM with the exception of 3 departmental labs on campus. We do not support the Mac platform in our administrative offices (the 2 offices that have them are moving to IBM). Our bookstore is a mac re-seller and is planning to add IBM to their line. However, we plan to keep them informed of the direction others are taking. The one Macintosh classroom we support has had numerous problems and it took more than 6 months just to get memory chips for one of the systems. Then we had to return them because we were sent the wrong chips. Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Support Services Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University From bnelson at willamette.edu Thu Jan 23 09:56:04 1997 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson (TIUA)) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: <1358365393-15464247@pete.georgefox.edu> Message-ID: TIUA is currently Macintosh on the academic front and Win-tel flavors on the administrative side. We are in a slightly uncomfortable position for a couple of reasons: 1) We instruct our students on the Mac platform. I am predicting that 10 - 15% of the students will purchase a computer near the end of the program this December to take back to Japan. Most of those purchases will be IBM laptops. The students ask for assistance on software configuration, modems, ethernet, etc. 2) Some of our faculty members want to use our new computer resources to create interactive learning opportunities on the internet. Unfortunately it looks like many of the nifty tools for doing so will be created only for the Win-tel platform in a year or so. Thanks for the info on your various approaches to this issue. I hope to see more discussion of it on NW-HEAT in the future. BN _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu From sheepn at cs.clark.edu Thu Jan 23 13:56:34 1997 From: sheepn at cs.clark.edu (Philip Sheehan (CS)) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:30 2004 Subject: Apple's future Message-ID: <136C3F46309@cs.clark.edu> Clark's PC environment consists of approx. 85% Wintel machines with the remainder various Mac machines. The Math and Science faculty are loyal Mac users as are members of the Art dept. All of this discussion is disturbing to me since we are planning a new Macintosh instructional lab. Sigh. Philip N. Sheehan Director of Computing Services Clark College Tel: (360) 992-2118 Email: sheepn@cs.clark.edu From kpitter at willamette.edu Fri Jan 3 17:25:09 1997 From: kpitter at willamette.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: down-link (fwd) Message-ID: Willamette did not post the response to the list. It just occured to me that we should have... the response was posted by Marti Morandi who is the Director of Production and Operations for WITS. --> Keiko ********************** > I just received a request from the French department to develop a cost > estimatefor a satellite down-link to bring French language programs into > one > of the dorms (and possibly some classrooms). Do you have down-links on > your campuses and, if so, can you give me any info on: > 1. where you purchased the dish and other hardware; We purchased our two large dishes from Keen Communications in Albany. Dave Keen has since installed DSS dishes on all of our dorms. 541-926-6581. > 2. who handled installation; Dave Keen handled the installation. > 3. what other costs were involved (e.g., cabling, etc.); His quote will include all needed hardware and installation charges. The dish, the receiver, the mounts, decoder, rack mounts, etc. were all included in the estimate. > 4. anyone I should speak with who has a lot of experience with this type of > thing in the Portland area.? The people at Public Broadcasting has lots of satellite installation with EDNET. Steve Johnson (used to be) the contact person there. > Many thanks for any info you can provide. Marti Marti Morandi, Director Production and Operations Willamette Integrated Technology Services Willamette University Salem, OR 97301 (503)370-6650/mmorandi@willamette.edu From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Jan 20 08:34:56 1997 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from 11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the Organizer. So... What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dtindall at paul.spu.edu Mon Jan 20 10:25:09 1997 From: dtindall at paul.spu.edu (Dave Tindall) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Bret Ingerman wrote: > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > 11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > Organizer. > > So... > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > --Bret We are maintaining our position to support both Mac and Wintel (Windows has about 80% for SPU market share) in both the lab settings and for individual (faculty/staff) purchases. We have been a CPP1 Reseller of Mac's for a number of years. This business has gone "down the tubes" in the last 12 months. Our "resale" operation is down **70%** from last year to the current year. We are currently in the process of closing down the Apple Resale program on our campus because the sales volume (and the meager markup rates) don't come anywhere near supporting the cost of the program (staffing, inventory, sales promotion, etc..). By-the-way, I expect the news to get WORSE for Apple, before it gets BETTER. They have some significant challenges over the next six months to assure financial viability in the current competitive marketplace. --Dave ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Dave Tindall + + + Executive Director + SPU Web Server: + + Computer & Information Systems + http://www.spu.edu/ + + Seattle Pacific University + + + http://paul.spu.edu/~dtindall/ + CIS HelpDesk: + + Internet: dtindall@spu.edu + (206)281-2982 + + Phone/Voice Mail: (206)281-2239 + help@spu.edu + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dvotaw at georgefox.edu Mon Jan 20 10:50:51 1997 From: dvotaw at georgefox.edu (Dave Votaw) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <1358365393-15464247@pete.georgefox.edu> Bret Ingerman writes: > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? We are staying with the Apple platform, at least for now, while planning a transition to Windows that we hope will be slow and easy. Well, we don't REALLY expect that, but it's nice to try! We will purchase Windows systems for some administrative offices this summer, and we hope to increase our Help Desk staff to handle Windows support next fall. We are moving as many software systems to the Web as we can, in order to minimize platform issues. We plan to offer Windows systems, for the first time, as an option for our Computers Across the Curriculum program, for both new faculty and new students. I have a Windows 95 system on my desk, for the first time. I like it. :-) --Dave --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Votaw (dvotaw@georgefox.edu) (503)538-8383 ext. 2571 Dir. Computer Services George Fox University From Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU Mon Jan 20 11:26:42 1997 From: Marianne.Colgrove at directory.Reed.EDU (Marianne Colgrove) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <2393411@isis.Reed.EDU> Right now we are continuing to buy Macs, though we are putting Windows sytems on the network (with much agony) and are generally working on improving our expertise with Windows. Our student Mac sales are up this year. Marianne mcolgrove@reed.edu From kpitter at willamette.edu Mon Jan 20 11:34:25 1997 From: kpitter at willamette.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Currently we are supporting both Mac and Wintel. Where I can, I'm encouraging people to shift to Wintel.. I met with my new Apples sales rep (yep... a new one again) last week. I feel very uncertain about their future at this point... Apple folks smiled a lot as a reply to my inquiries about their future. Wrote down all my concerns (yeah, right). --> Keiko From SKOMSKY at shuttle.admcs.wwu.edu Tue Jan 21 08:04:00 1997 From: SKOMSKY at shuttle.admcs.wwu.edu (Susan Komsky) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: <32E4E977@shuttle.admcs.wwu.edu> Western has only about 20% Mac and 80% Windows. At the moment, I expect we will continue to let users purchase whichever platform they desire --- though we have had continual problems with the Performa and have begun to get that word out to users. Our next major lab purchases will be next year, so I'm hoping we can see some direction by then. Susan ---------- From: nw-heat To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Apple's Future Date: Monday, January 20, 1997 7:29AM As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from 11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the Organizer. So... What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Jan 21 10:55:15 1997 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future Message-ID: Bret, We have yet to confront this issue, but will need to do so shortly and I'm glad you brought this to the list. At our school, faculty and staff choose on their own which machine to buy, and most of them seem to have followed the gradual decline of Apple. I would imagine that we might continue to buy Apples, but make folks aware of the problems if they don't know yet, as well as explore other options, perhaps including a PowerComputing machine running Be. Tom P.S. Personally, a Mac OS interface layered on top of a UNIX operating system running on a risk chip sounds like a dream machine to me, but then again my dream car was always the Cord L29, and you know how many of those you see these days. At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the >Organizer. > > So... > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > --Bret > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From weisman at pacificu.edu Wed Jan 22 08:51:33 1997 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I suppose we here at Pacific are hedging our bets. Ted Krupicka from my staff will probably weigh in here. Basically, we're committed to Apple where we have a choice, but our operational policies are geared specifically to support platform independent technologies (and a reason we're interested in the new WordPerfect, which is Java-based). I'd say that we're 97% Mac, but that is shifting about 5%/year due to outside forces. Those students who bring their own machines are in the majority bringing PCs. One thing we are really working on is a detailed understanding of exactly how much more PCs are costing us to manage and maintain. I personally don't think it's the very high numbers we're seeing in the press, but it is significantly higher than the Macs at a lot of different levels. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-2959 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tom Aldrich wrote: > Bret, > > We have yet to confront this issue, but will need to do so shortly and I'm > glad you brought this to the list. At our school, faculty and staff choose > on their own which machine to buy, and most of them seem to have followed > the gradual decline of Apple. > > I would imagine that we might continue to buy Apples, but make folks aware > of the problems if they don't know yet, as well as explore other options, > perhaps including a PowerComputing machine running Be. > > Tom > > > P.S. Personally, a Mac OS interface layered on top of a UNIX operating > system running on a risk chip sounds like a dream machine to me, but then > again my dream car was always the Cord L29, and you know how many of those > you see these days. > > > At 11:29 PM 1/19/97, Bret Ingerman wrote: > > As you know, LC supports both PCs and Macs. Needless to say, the recent > >press Apple has received has not been flattering (posting yet another loss > >this quarter with 2 more predicted, market share decrease to about 5% from > >11%, an announcement by Egghead that they will no longer carry Apple > >hardware and an announcement by Intuit that QuickBooks will no longer be > >upgraded for the Mac (I am trying to confirm these last 2) ). Also > >remember that although Office 97 is available for the PC, the Mac version > >isn't slated until Fall and even then it will still not have Acess or the > >Organizer. > > > > So... > > > > What are your schools doing in terms of lab purchases and > >recommendations to institutional and individual buyers? > > > > --Bret > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bret Ingerman, Director e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu > > Academic Technologies phone: (503) 768-7227 > > Lewis & Clark College fax: (503) 768-7228 > > 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman > > Portland, OR 97219-7899 > > USA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Thu Jan 23 00:37:42 1997 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's future Message-ID: <01IEJO9YUBG6002HV6@plu.edu> Our campus is predominately IBM with the exception of 3 departmental labs on campus. We do not support the Mac platform in our administrative offices (the 2 offices that have them are moving to IBM). Our bookstore is a mac re-seller and is planning to add IBM to their line. However, we plan to keep them informed of the direction others are taking. The one Macintosh classroom we support has had numerous problems and it took more than 6 months just to get memory chips for one of the systems. Then we had to return them because we were sent the wrong chips. Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Support Services Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University From bnelson at willamette.edu Thu Jan 23 09:56:04 1997 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson (TIUA)) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's Future In-Reply-To: <1358365393-15464247@pete.georgefox.edu> Message-ID: TIUA is currently Macintosh on the academic front and Win-tel flavors on the administrative side. We are in a slightly uncomfortable position for a couple of reasons: 1) We instruct our students on the Mac platform. I am predicting that 10 - 15% of the students will purchase a computer near the end of the program this December to take back to Japan. Most of those purchases will be IBM laptops. The students ask for assistance on software configuration, modems, ethernet, etc. 2) Some of our faculty members want to use our new computer resources to create interactive learning opportunities on the internet. Unfortunately it looks like many of the nifty tools for doing so will be created only for the Win-tel platform in a year or so. Thanks for the info on your various approaches to this issue. I hope to see more discussion of it on NW-HEAT in the future. BN _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu From sheepn at cs.clark.edu Thu Jan 23 13:56:34 1997 From: sheepn at cs.clark.edu (Philip Sheehan (CS)) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:19 2006 Subject: Apple's future Message-ID: <136C3F46309@cs.clark.edu> Clark's PC environment consists of approx. 85% Wintel machines with the remainder various Mac machines. The Math and Science faculty are loyal Mac users as are members of the Art dept. All of this discussion is disturbing to me since we are planning a new Macintosh instructional lab. Sigh. Philip N. Sheehan Director of Computing Services Clark College Tel: (360) 992-2118 Email: sheepn@cs.clark.edu