From rtanner at linfield.edu Wed Jul 1 10:04:35 1998 From: rtanner at linfield.edu (Rob Tanner) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? Message-ID: I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very happy with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied Telesyn, and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world of networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just ain't [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone besides the vendor. -- Rob _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner Manager of Systems and Communications Linfield College, McMinnville OR (503) 434-2558 From mextine at crc.stmartin.edu Wed Jul 1 11:36:06 1998 From: mextine at crc.stmartin.edu (Extine, Michael W.) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? Message-ID: <51D11B93078DD111938C00A0C9705B3847D8CA@ABEL> We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our computer lab. mike -----Original Message----- From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very happy with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied Telesyn, and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world of networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just ain't [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone besides the vendor. -- Rob _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner Manager of Systems and Communications Linfield College, McMinnville OR (503) 434-2558 From jdriskell at ups.edu Wed Jul 1 15:49:29 1998 From: jdriskell at ups.edu (James M. Driskell) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? References: Message-ID: <359ABCF9.9D3BC5E2@ups.edu> We use several of the small hubs from Allied Telesyn with great success. These hubs can't be managed remotely but they are cheap. We pay about $50 for a 8 port 10BaseT mini hub. The hubs stack and can be connected to fiber with a media converter. We haven't had any trouble with them. We haven't bought any of their higher end equipment because we can get 10/100 Cisco Switches for about $87/port. This price is hard to beat for top of line equipment. Jim Driskell Manager of Network Services University of Puget Sound 253-756-1302 jdriskell@ups.edu Rob Tanner wrote: > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very happy > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied Telesyn, > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world of > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just ain't > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > besides the vendor. > > -- Rob > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > Rob Tanner > Manager of Systems and Communications > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > (503) 434-2558 From bnelson at willamette.edu Thu Jul 2 10:11:34 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? In-Reply-To: <51D11B93078DD111938C00A0C9705B3847D8CA@ABEL> Message-ID: for those of you looking for 24 port 10bt switching with 100bt uplink (and a slot for 100mb fiber uplink, and slot for management, etc) you almost can't beat the HP Switch 224T. Cost? about $290 after HP $750 rebate. No misprint! see the HP web site for details. BN _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Extine, Michael W. wrote: > We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for > several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use > their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their > managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of > their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our > computer lab. > > mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? > > > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very > happy > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied > Telesyn, > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world > of > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just > ain't > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > besides the vendor. > > -- Rob > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > Rob Tanner > Manager of Systems and Communications > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > (503) 434-2558 > > From mmyers at willamette.edu Thu Jul 2 13:17:58 1998 From: mmyers at willamette.edu (Mike Myers) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill, I found a page at "http://www.hp.com/rnd/promos/promotion.htm" which implies this is a trade in program...? It's a little unclear: In the U.S. and Canada, from April 1st through July 31st, 1998, Hewlett-Packard offers a "Hassle Free" trade in rebate of $30 per port on either switch ports purchased or hub ports being replaced (you get to choose). Switches covered in this promotion include the Switch 208T, Switch 224T or Switch 800T. This can add up to as much as $750 per switch! Click here for more information. Have you purchased some and gotten the rebate w/o a trade-in? - Mike Myers, Willamette University On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Bill Nelson wrote: > for those of you looking for 24 port 10bt switching with 100bt uplink > (and a slot for 100mb fiber uplink, and slot for management, etc) you > almost can't beat the HP Switch 224T. Cost? about $290 after HP $750 > rebate. No misprint! see the HP web site for details. > BN > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Bill Nelson > Tokyo International University of America > P O Box 14040 > Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu > > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Extine, Michael W. wrote: > > > We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for > > several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use > > their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their > > managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of > > their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our > > computer lab. > > > > mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? > > > > > > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very > > happy > > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied > > Telesyn, > > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world > > of > > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just > > ain't > > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > > besides the vendor. > > > > -- Rob > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > > > Rob Tanner > > Manager of Systems and Communications > > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > > (503) 434-2558 > > > > > From bnelson at willamette.edu Thu Jul 2 14:38:36 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well... I purchased, but we havn't received the rebate yet! According to http://www.hp.com/wnd_rebate/hasslefree/index.html it applies to new switch ports, or trade up from hub ports, but you don't have to send any of your old equipment in, and you can continue to use it! I know that rebates can be a risk. Remember the Iomega program? ;-) _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Mike Myers wrote: > Bill, > I found a page at "http://www.hp.com/rnd/promos/promotion.htm" which > implies this is a trade in program...? It's a little unclear: > > In the U.S. and Canada, from April 1st through July 31st, > 1998, Hewlett-Packard offers a "Hassle Free" trade in rebate > of $30 per port on either switch ports purchased or hub ports > being replaced (you get to choose). Switches covered in this > promotion include the Switch 208T, Switch 224T or Switch > 800T. This can add up to as much as $750 per switch! Click > here for more information. > > Have you purchased some and gotten the rebate w/o a trade-in? > > - Mike Myers, Willamette University > > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Bill Nelson wrote: > > > for those of you looking for 24 port 10bt switching with 100bt uplink > > (and a slot for 100mb fiber uplink, and slot for management, etc) you > > almost can't beat the HP Switch 224T. Cost? about $290 after HP $750 > > rebate. No misprint! see the HP web site for details. > > BN > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Bill Nelson > > Tokyo International University of America > > P O Box 14040 > > Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Extine, Michael W. wrote: > > > > > We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for > > > several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use > > > their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their > > > managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of > > > their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our > > > computer lab. > > > > > > mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? > > > > > > > > > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very > > > happy > > > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied > > > Telesyn, > > > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > > > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > > > > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > > > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world > > > of > > > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just > > > ain't > > > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > > > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > > > besides the vendor. > > > > > > -- Rob > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > > > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > > > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > > > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > > > > > Rob Tanner > > > Manager of Systems and Communications > > > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > > > (503) 434-2558 > > > > > > > > > > From pitterk at whitman.edu Mon Jul 20 23:01:26 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Follow-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am finally getting around to doing some follow-up from the June meeting. Time is just flying by... Jeb already made a good start on this... so I just want to do a followup: About NWNet... after the conversation with Tom Stanfield from NWNet, (that rates are NOT going up) I take it that this is now a moot point??? If my assumption is wrong, let me know. > 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: > a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for smaller > less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. We are > especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at which the > 14 grant recipients will be presenting. > > b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could underwrite a > portion of the cost of bringing corporate training > (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location to > overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. Shall we follow through on this? Whatever happened to the workshop that may happen at UPS this fall? Do we want to attach that workshop to the front end of the CAUSE meeting in Seattle? > c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs > people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as the > Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. You do know that Marty Ringle is doing a presentation on this topic during the CAUSE meeting in Seattle...(I mean..that of IT staffing, retention, etc.) I'm guilty of the same thing as the rest of you... I get very excited about various topics at conferences and meetings. Then I get back to my own institution and get swamped with work--and loose that enthusiasm somewhere along the line. Let's get ourselves reenergized... From weisman at pacificu.edu Tue Jul 21 08:22:24 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Follow-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1) NWNet is a non-issue. The situation with OGI was unique and had roots in an old partnetship agreement. 2) I think your items #3 a and b are a go though it is true that we haven't done much on them. The Summer Camp meeting was so packed that there wasn't much time to talk about anything else. I believe we all agree that we should make those two propsals, correct? Also, with Tom absent from Camp, it we didn't discuss what might or might not happen at UPS this fall. 3) As far as 3c goes, I've spoken to key players here and they would be interested in an HR/IT/Business summit locally. It may be that we'd need to do one for the northern folks and one for the southern folks and then share notes. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Keiko Pitter wrote: > I am finally getting around to doing some follow-up from the June meeting. > Time is just flying by... > > Jeb already made a good start on this... so I just want to do a followup: > > About NWNet... after the conversation with Tom Stanfield from NWNet, (that > rates are NOT going up) I take it that this is now a moot point??? If my > assumption is wrong, let me know. > > > > 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: > > a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for smaller > > less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. We are > > especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at which the > > 14 grant recipients will be presenting. > > > > b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could underwrite a > > portion of the cost of bringing corporate training > > (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location to > > overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. > > Shall we follow through on this? Whatever happened to the workshop that > may happen at UPS this fall? Do we want to attach that workshop to the > front end of the CAUSE meeting in Seattle? > > > c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs > > people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as the > > Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. > > You do know that Marty Ringle is doing a presentation on this topic during > the CAUSE meeting in Seattle...(I mean..that of IT staffing, retention, > etc.) > > I'm guilty of the same thing as the rest of you... I get very excited > about various topics at conferences and meetings. Then I get back to my > own institution and get swamped with work--and loose that enthusiasm > somewhere along the line. > > Let's get ourselves reenergized... > > > > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Jul 21 09:48:30 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Follow-up Message-ID: Item 3 sounds good. Item 3a does need some specific focus if we feel NWACC would be interested. A grant to get other faculty to the NWACC grant receipient presentations during, I assume, the next June Conference might be nice. But many faculty are on leave during that time and perhaps have other interests. I really like the idea of 3b on CISCO campus routing and HP Open View network management. Given the presentation and responses to Apple's session on multimedia, 3b has a lot of merit for me. I think 3c at CASUE will only touch on the issue. What we need is a cooperative effort for education and possible solutions in our region. Maybe a followup meeting in Oct or so focused on our region might be beneficial. pete ps: i'm going on vacation in two weeks. Ya ha.................. > ---------- > From: Keiko Pitter > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 11:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Follow-up > > I am finally getting around to doing some follow-up from the June > meeting. > Time is just flying by... > > Jeb already made a good start on this... so I just want to do a > followup: > > About NWNet... after the conversation with Tom Stanfield from NWNet, > (that > rates are NOT going up) I take it that this is now a moot point??? If > my > assumption is wrong, let me know. > > > > 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: > > a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for > smaller > > less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. > We are > > especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at > which the > > 14 grant recipients will be presenting. > > > > b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could > underwrite a > > portion of the cost of bringing corporate training > > (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location > to > > overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. > > Shall we follow through on this? Whatever happened to the workshop > that > may happen at UPS this fall? Do we want to attach that workshop to > the > front end of the CAUSE meeting in Seattle? > > > c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs > > people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as > the > > Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. > > You do know that Marty Ringle is doing a presentation on this topic > during > the CAUSE meeting in Seattle...(I mean..that of IT staffing, > retention, > etc.) > > I'm guilty of the same thing as the rest of you... I get very excited > about various topics at conferences and meetings. Then I get back to > my > own institution and get swamped with work--and loose that enthusiasm > somewhere along the line. > > Let's get ourselves reenergized... > > > From jdorris at warnerpacific.edu Tue Jul 21 10:40:42 1998 From: jdorris at warnerpacific.edu (James Dorris) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: 3com, Bay/Nortel, Cisco, ??? Message-ID: <35B4D299.E3A84B74@warnerpacific.edu> We are installing a campus wide network (fiber interbuilding and CAT5 intrabuilding) this summer. I am currently making some decisions on active electronics (mainly which brand to go with) and have heard an awful lot of differing stories about who's a stable company and who's not. I'd love to hear some more opinions on active electronics manufacturers. The big three I'm looking at are 3Com, Bay, Cisco. What concerns are there about them still being here in one, two, five years and will they be supporting their existing products? Any insight or suggestions on more places to get insight would be appreciated... Thanx Jim Dorris Mgr of comp Srvcs Warner Pacific College From jdriskell at ups.edu Tue Jul 21 13:31:13 1998 From: jdriskell at ups.edu (James M. Driskell) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: 3com, Bay/Nortel, Cisco, ??? References: <35B4D299.E3A84B74@warnerpacific.edu> Message-ID: <35B4FA90.E1351928@ups.edu> I have worked with all the vendors you mention. I like the Cisco products and that company will be around for the next few years. I understand that someone just bought Bay, so don't know how they will do. We have Cisco routers here at UPS and just bought a 10/100 switch to begin our move to 100MB on the backbone. We also have Bay equipment but it's old and I don't think we will replace it in kind. I worked with 3Com equipment on a contract with another organization. The equipment seemed ok. Actually, most of the vendors make good equipment, but it's the price per port that I look at when we decide to buy. We have lots of Cabletron equipment on campus. You might want to talk to them. We're also probably going to install a 10/100 router/switch in the middle of our network and move the routing to the center of the system. That way we can delete the old 10 MB routers located around the campus and use the existing fiber to move the routing function to the center. Jim Driskell Manager of Network Services University of Puget Sound (253) 756-1302 jdriskell@ups.edu James Dorris wrote: > We are installing a campus wide network (fiber interbuilding and CAT5 > intrabuilding) this summer. I am currently making some decisions on > active electronics (mainly which brand to go with) and have heard an > awful lot of differing stories about who's a stable company and who's > not. I'd love to hear some more opinions on active electronics > manufacturers. > The big three I'm looking at are 3Com, Bay, Cisco. What concerns are > there about them still being here in one, two, five years and will they > be supporting their existing products? Any insight or suggestions on > more places to get insight would be appreciated... Thanx > > Jim Dorris > Mgr of comp Srvcs > Warner Pacific College From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Fri Jul 24 13:06:32 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: FW: HIGHER-ED-Y2K (fwd) Message-ID: fyi > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bob Broedel > To: academic-networking@net.tamu.edu > Subject: HIGHER-ED-Y2K > > > ====================================================================== > Date : Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:23:33 PDT > >From : Bill Bauriedel > Subject: NEW: HIGHER-ED-Y2K - Year 2000 Discussion for Higher > Education > To: NEW-LIST@HYPATIA.CS.WISC.EDU > > HIGHER-ED-Y2K on MAJORDOMO@LISTS.STANFORD.EDU > > HIGHER-ED-Y2K is a closed, unmoderated discussion list. The purpose > of this list is to discuss year 2000 issues of particular interest > to the higher education community. Topics can include, but are not > limited to: > - applications (e.g. registration, financial aid, graduation), > - facilities (e.g. housing, labs, access systems, embedded systems), > - vendors (e.g. banks, government agencies, purchasing), > - faculty, staff, student awareness campaigns, > - contingency planning, disaster recovery, > - computer systems (e.g. desktop, servers, mainframe, operating > systems, security, backup/restore), > - infrastructure (web, e-mail), > - testing, > > Inappropriate topics might be discussions of the Y2K impact on society > at large, industry topics that have little or nothing to do with > managing a higher education institution (e.g. what Ford Motor Co. > is doing to address Y2K issues (unless it is relevant to higher ed)). > > To subscribe, send the following command in the BODY of mail > to MAJORDOMO@LISTS.STANFORD.EDU: > > SUBSCRIBE HIGHER-ED-Y2K > > Owner: Bill Bauriedel BILLB@STANFORD.EDU > > From kelly at lclark.edu Fri Jul 24 16:03:42 1998 From: kelly at lclark.edu (Kelly Wainwright) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Help Desk Software Message-ID: The FileMaker Pro based Help Desk software that we (mainly Pacific) have been working on is ready to move to the next level. In order to do so, we need to bring all the *seriously* interested folks together. To do so, we've scheduled a meeting next Friday (July 31st) at 10am at Lewis & Clark. We will be meeting in the IT Conference Room (go in the front door of Watzek Library and take an immediate left). At this meeting we will be discussing the following: 1. Costs to continue - we are planning to hire a consultant to fine tune the database and put it on the web and distributing the costs to those schools who will be using it. 2. What needs to be added and/or changed in the current database - this requires that you take a look and play with the database as it stands. The consultant we are planning to hire will be at the meeting to hear our ideas and needs. To get a copy of the databases, please send e-mail to battya1@pacificu.edu. 3. Next steps. Please let me know if you are planning to come and if you have any questions. Thanks, Kelly Kelly Wainwright INTERNET: kelly@lclark.edu Information Technology PHONE: (503) 768-7245 Lewis & Clark College FAX: (503) 768-7228 From barnold at willamette.edu Fri Jul 24 17:24:11 1998 From: barnold at willamette.edu (Bruce Arnold) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Help Desk Software Message-ID: <01BDB727.E0056760.barnold@willamette.edu> On Friday, July 24, 1998 4:15 PM, Kelly Wainwright [SMTP:kelly@lclark.edu] wrote: > > The FileMaker Pro based Help Desk software that we (mainly Pacific) > have been working on is ready to move to the next level. In order to do > so, we need to bring all the *seriously* interested folks together. > To do so, we've scheduled a meeting next Friday (July 31st) at 10am at > Lewis & Clark. We will be meeting in the IT Conference Room (go in the > front door of Watzek Library and take an immediate left). Count on two from George Fox! > At this meeting we will be discussing the following: > > 1. Costs to continue - we are planning to hire a consultant to fine tune > the database and put it on the web and distributing the costs to those > schools who will be using it. If I may make a suggestion... The database needs to be tried out by actual Help Deskers before we pay for fine tuning. Let the system go through a trial by fire, see if any significant changes are needed, THEN pay someone to change it. This note covers #2 below as well, in that the system needs to be tested on an actual Help Desk. > 2. What needs to be added and/or changed in the current database - this > requires that you take a look and play with the database as it stands. > The consultant we are planning to hire will be at the meeting to hear our > ideas and needs. To get a copy of the databases, please send e-mail to > battya1@pacificu.edu. > 3. Next steps. > > Please let me know if you are planning to come and if you have any > questions. I do have a question - I thought the group was going to look over the GFU ColdFusion/web based system, then discuss possibly merging the two somehow if it's possible. Now it sounds like you've all but finished the FMPro system. Do you all still want to see what we've done here? Should we come up and demo the system? (If so, I'll bring one of the student workeers who has been using the system as we test it.) Or, honestly, is it now too l ate? Tell me what you think. ----- Bruce Arnold :) Director of User Services George Fox University 503-554-2578 From battya1 at pacificu.edu Mon Jul 27 08:48:05 1998 From: battya1 at pacificu.edu (Allison Batty) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Help Desk Software In-Reply-To: <01BDB727.E0056760.barnold@willamette.edu> Message-ID: I have enclosed the database for you to look over. It has been stuffed and is in FileMaker 4.0. (Please be aware that this database is currently the property of Pacific University and may only be used to evaluate and determine your institutions role in the project.) Before the meeting, please make a list of additional fields that you may require for your institution, a list of reports you might want and any other needs you would like addressed. Please be aware when creating your list that this database is intended to be institution neutral in order that several schools may use it. Not all needs may be met for every institution in order to maintain the simplicity of the database. In regards to your question on combining Pacific's database with George Fox's: As we are on a tight timeframe, needing to complete it by August 17 if possible, we decided to forge ahead as we had not yet heard word on the ColdFusion database. Pacific, unfortunately doesn't have the staff resources to spend any additional time on the database and that is why we researched hiring a consultant. I am not against considering the possibility of merging the two databases, but I want to make sure that it could be done in the timeframe indicated and would not require additional strain on staff resources. Pacific's is looking for the most efficient, simple, and timely solution and at this point, we feel that hiring the consultant would be the best solution. Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions or concerns. Allison :) from the desktop of____________________________________________ ALLISON L. BATTY e-mail: battya1@pacificu.edu User Support Services Coordinator voice: 503.359.2799 Pacific University Computer Store fax: 503.359.2959 _______________________________________________________________ From weisman at pacificu.edu Mon Jul 27 09:56:54 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Help Desk Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just one more note as we all negotiate this. It's a matter of good faith. We spent a year working on this project out of our budget and my staff's sweat and blood. We're distributing it in good faith for everyone's review. If you do use it, or any portion of it, we would a) like to know, and b) like credit for the work we've done. Once the consortium has built a communal application we'll also figure out the best way to "license" it (I'm partial to gnu-style, myself). Thanks for your judgement and discretion. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rtanner at linfield.edu Wed Jul 1 10:04:35 1998 From: rtanner at linfield.edu (Rob Tanner) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? Message-ID: I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very happy with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied Telesyn, and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world of networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just ain't [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone besides the vendor. -- Rob _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner Manager of Systems and Communications Linfield College, McMinnville OR (503) 434-2558 From mextine at crc.stmartin.edu Wed Jul 1 11:36:06 1998 From: mextine at crc.stmartin.edu (Extine, Michael W.) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? Message-ID: <51D11B93078DD111938C00A0C9705B3847D8CA@ABEL> We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our computer lab. mike -----Original Message----- From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very happy with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied Telesyn, and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world of networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just ain't [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone besides the vendor. -- Rob _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner Manager of Systems and Communications Linfield College, McMinnville OR (503) 434-2558 From jdriskell at ups.edu Wed Jul 1 15:49:29 1998 From: jdriskell at ups.edu (James M. Driskell) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? References: Message-ID: <359ABCF9.9D3BC5E2@ups.edu> We use several of the small hubs from Allied Telesyn with great success. These hubs can't be managed remotely but they are cheap. We pay about $50 for a 8 port 10BaseT mini hub. The hubs stack and can be connected to fiber with a media converter. We haven't had any trouble with them. We haven't bought any of their higher end equipment because we can get 10/100 Cisco Switches for about $87/port. This price is hard to beat for top of line equipment. Jim Driskell Manager of Network Services University of Puget Sound 253-756-1302 jdriskell@ups.edu Rob Tanner wrote: > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very happy > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied Telesyn, > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world of > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just ain't > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > besides the vendor. > > -- Rob > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > Rob Tanner > Manager of Systems and Communications > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > (503) 434-2558 From bnelson at willamette.edu Thu Jul 2 10:11:34 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? In-Reply-To: <51D11B93078DD111938C00A0C9705B3847D8CA@ABEL> Message-ID: for those of you looking for 24 port 10bt switching with 100bt uplink (and a slot for 100mb fiber uplink, and slot for management, etc) you almost can't beat the HP Switch 224T. Cost? about $290 after HP $750 rebate. No misprint! see the HP web site for details. BN _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Extine, Michael W. wrote: > We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for > several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use > their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their > managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of > their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our > computer lab. > > mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? > > > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very > happy > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied > Telesyn, > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world > of > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just > ain't > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > besides the vendor. > > -- Rob > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > Rob Tanner > Manager of Systems and Communications > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > (503) 434-2558 > > From mmyers at willamette.edu Thu Jul 2 13:17:58 1998 From: mmyers at willamette.edu (Mike Myers) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill, I found a page at "http://www.hp.com/rnd/promos/promotion.htm" which implies this is a trade in program...? It's a little unclear: In the U.S. and Canada, from April 1st through July 31st, 1998, Hewlett-Packard offers a "Hassle Free" trade in rebate of $30 per port on either switch ports purchased or hub ports being replaced (you get to choose). Switches covered in this promotion include the Switch 208T, Switch 224T or Switch 800T. This can add up to as much as $750 per switch! Click here for more information. Have you purchased some and gotten the rebate w/o a trade-in? - Mike Myers, Willamette University On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Bill Nelson wrote: > for those of you looking for 24 port 10bt switching with 100bt uplink > (and a slot for 100mb fiber uplink, and slot for management, etc) you > almost can't beat the HP Switch 224T. Cost? about $290 after HP $750 > rebate. No misprint! see the HP web site for details. > BN > > _____________________________________________________________________ > Bill Nelson > Tokyo International University of America > P O Box 14040 > Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu > > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Extine, Michael W. wrote: > > > We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for > > several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use > > their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their > > managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of > > their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our > > computer lab. > > > > mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? > > > > > > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very > > happy > > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied > > Telesyn, > > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world > > of > > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just > > ain't > > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > > besides the vendor. > > > > -- Rob > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > > > Rob Tanner > > Manager of Systems and Communications > > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > > (503) 434-2558 > > > > > From bnelson at willamette.edu Thu Jul 2 14:38:36 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well... I purchased, but we havn't received the rebate yet! According to http://www.hp.com/wnd_rebate/hasslefree/index.html it applies to new switch ports, or trade up from hub ports, but you don't have to send any of your old equipment in, and you can continue to use it! I know that rebates can be a risk. Remember the Iomega program? ;-) _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Mike Myers wrote: > Bill, > I found a page at "http://www.hp.com/rnd/promos/promotion.htm" which > implies this is a trade in program...? It's a little unclear: > > In the U.S. and Canada, from April 1st through July 31st, > 1998, Hewlett-Packard offers a "Hassle Free" trade in rebate > of $30 per port on either switch ports purchased or hub ports > being replaced (you get to choose). Switches covered in this > promotion include the Switch 208T, Switch 224T or Switch > 800T. This can add up to as much as $750 per switch! Click > here for more information. > > Have you purchased some and gotten the rebate w/o a trade-in? > > - Mike Myers, Willamette University > > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Bill Nelson wrote: > > > for those of you looking for 24 port 10bt switching with 100bt uplink > > (and a slot for 100mb fiber uplink, and slot for management, etc) you > > almost can't beat the HP Switch 224T. Cost? about $290 after HP $750 > > rebate. No misprint! see the HP web site for details. > > BN > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Bill Nelson > > Tokyo International University of America > > P O Box 14040 > > Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Extine, Michael W. wrote: > > > > > We at Saint Martin's College have been using Allied Telesyn products for > > > several years and have had absolutely no problems. I currently use > > > their switches and "dumb hubs" and am planning on installing their > > > managed stackable hubs for our residence halls. I'm also getting one of > > > their inexpensive 24-port switches (with 100Mbps uplink) for use in our > > > computer lab. > > > > > > mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Tanner [mailto:rtanner@linfield.edu] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:39 AM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Any experience with Allied Telesyn hubs and switches? > > > > > > > > > I have been buying BayNetwork hubs and switches, and have been very > > > happy > > > with the product and the price. But I started looking at Allied > > > Telesyn, > > > and seemingly comparable (at least in terms of functionality) components > > > come in at about a quarter to a third of Bay's pricing. > > > > > > Sounds wonderful, but does anybody have any real life experience with > > > Allied components -- especially Allied vs Bay experience. In the world > > > of > > > networking components, the old adage "You get what you pay for" just > > > ain't > > > [sic] necessarily so. But nevertheless, I'm hesitant to make any major > > > investment in another vendor without some comforting words from someone > > > besides the vendor. > > > > > > -- Rob > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > > /\_\_\_\_\ /\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ > > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, > > > /\/_/__\/_/ __ /\/_/ /\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR > > > /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_/ /\/_/ > > > /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_/ /\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin > > > \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) > > > > > > Rob Tanner > > > Manager of Systems and Communications > > > Linfield College, McMinnville OR > > > (503) 434-2558 > > > > > > > > > > From pitterk at whitman.edu Mon Jul 20 23:01:26 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Follow-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am finally getting around to doing some follow-up from the June meeting. Time is just flying by... Jeb already made a good start on this... so I just want to do a followup: About NWNet... after the conversation with Tom Stanfield from NWNet, (that rates are NOT going up) I take it that this is now a moot point??? If my assumption is wrong, let me know. > 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: > a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for smaller > less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. We are > especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at which the > 14 grant recipients will be presenting. > > b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could underwrite a > portion of the cost of bringing corporate training > (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location to > overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. Shall we follow through on this? Whatever happened to the workshop that may happen at UPS this fall? Do we want to attach that workshop to the front end of the CAUSE meeting in Seattle? > c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs > people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as the > Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. You do know that Marty Ringle is doing a presentation on this topic during the CAUSE meeting in Seattle...(I mean..that of IT staffing, retention, etc.) I'm guilty of the same thing as the rest of you... I get very excited about various topics at conferences and meetings. Then I get back to my own institution and get swamped with work--and loose that enthusiasm somewhere along the line. Let's get ourselves reenergized... From weisman at pacificu.edu Tue Jul 21 08:22:24 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Follow-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1) NWNet is a non-issue. The situation with OGI was unique and had roots in an old partnetship agreement. 2) I think your items #3 a and b are a go though it is true that we haven't done much on them. The Summer Camp meeting was so packed that there wasn't much time to talk about anything else. I believe we all agree that we should make those two propsals, correct? Also, with Tom absent from Camp, it we didn't discuss what might or might not happen at UPS this fall. 3) As far as 3c goes, I've spoken to key players here and they would be interested in an HR/IT/Business summit locally. It may be that we'd need to do one for the northern folks and one for the southern folks and then share notes. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Keiko Pitter wrote: > I am finally getting around to doing some follow-up from the June meeting. > Time is just flying by... > > Jeb already made a good start on this... so I just want to do a followup: > > About NWNet... after the conversation with Tom Stanfield from NWNet, (that > rates are NOT going up) I take it that this is now a moot point??? If my > assumption is wrong, let me know. > > > > 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: > > a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for smaller > > less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. We are > > especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at which the > > 14 grant recipients will be presenting. > > > > b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could underwrite a > > portion of the cost of bringing corporate training > > (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location to > > overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. > > Shall we follow through on this? Whatever happened to the workshop that > may happen at UPS this fall? Do we want to attach that workshop to the > front end of the CAUSE meeting in Seattle? > > > c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs > > people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as the > > Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. > > You do know that Marty Ringle is doing a presentation on this topic during > the CAUSE meeting in Seattle...(I mean..that of IT staffing, retention, > etc.) > > I'm guilty of the same thing as the rest of you... I get very excited > about various topics at conferences and meetings. Then I get back to my > own institution and get swamped with work--and loose that enthusiasm > somewhere along the line. > > Let's get ourselves reenergized... > > > > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Jul 21 09:48:30 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Follow-up Message-ID: Item 3 sounds good. Item 3a does need some specific focus if we feel NWACC would be interested. A grant to get other faculty to the NWACC grant receipient presentations during, I assume, the next June Conference might be nice. But many faculty are on leave during that time and perhaps have other interests. I really like the idea of 3b on CISCO campus routing and HP Open View network management. Given the presentation and responses to Apple's session on multimedia, 3b has a lot of merit for me. I think 3c at CASUE will only touch on the issue. What we need is a cooperative effort for education and possible solutions in our region. Maybe a followup meeting in Oct or so focused on our region might be beneficial. pete ps: i'm going on vacation in two weeks. Ya ha.................. > ---------- > From: Keiko Pitter > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 11:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Follow-up > > I am finally getting around to doing some follow-up from the June > meeting. > Time is just flying by... > > Jeb already made a good start on this... so I just want to do a > followup: > > About NWNet... after the conversation with Tom Stanfield from NWNet, > (that > rates are NOT going up) I take it that this is now a moot point??? If > my > assumption is wrong, let me know. > > > > 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: > > a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for > smaller > > less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. > We are > > especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at > which the > > 14 grant recipients will be presenting. > > > > b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could > underwrite a > > portion of the cost of bringing corporate training > > (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location > to > > overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. > > Shall we follow through on this? Whatever happened to the workshop > that > may happen at UPS this fall? Do we want to attach that workshop to > the > front end of the CAUSE meeting in Seattle? > > > c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs > > people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as > the > > Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. > > You do know that Marty Ringle is doing a presentation on this topic > during > the CAUSE meeting in Seattle...(I mean..that of IT staffing, > retention, > etc.) > > I'm guilty of the same thing as the rest of you... I get very excited > about various topics at conferences and meetings. Then I get back to > my > own institution and get swamped with work--and loose that enthusiasm > somewhere along the line. > > Let's get ourselves reenergized... > > > From jdorris at warnerpacific.edu Tue Jul 21 10:40:42 1998 From: jdorris at warnerpacific.edu (James Dorris) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: 3com, Bay/Nortel, Cisco, ??? Message-ID: <35B4D299.E3A84B74@warnerpacific.edu> We are installing a campus wide network (fiber interbuilding and CAT5 intrabuilding) this summer. I am currently making some decisions on active electronics (mainly which brand to go with) and have heard an awful lot of differing stories about who's a stable company and who's not. I'd love to hear some more opinions on active electronics manufacturers. The big three I'm looking at are 3Com, Bay, Cisco. What concerns are there about them still being here in one, two, five years and will they be supporting their existing products? Any insight or suggestions on more places to get insight would be appreciated... Thanx Jim Dorris Mgr of comp Srvcs Warner Pacific College From jdriskell at ups.edu Tue Jul 21 13:31:13 1998 From: jdriskell at ups.edu (James M. Driskell) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: 3com, Bay/Nortel, Cisco, ??? References: <35B4D299.E3A84B74@warnerpacific.edu> Message-ID: <35B4FA90.E1351928@ups.edu> I have worked with all the vendors you mention. I like the Cisco products and that company will be around for the next few years. I understand that someone just bought Bay, so don't know how they will do. We have Cisco routers here at UPS and just bought a 10/100 switch to begin our move to 100MB on the backbone. We also have Bay equipment but it's old and I don't think we will replace it in kind. I worked with 3Com equipment on a contract with another organization. The equipment seemed ok. Actually, most of the vendors make good equipment, but it's the price per port that I look at when we decide to buy. We have lots of Cabletron equipment on campus. You might want to talk to them. We're also probably going to install a 10/100 router/switch in the middle of our network and move the routing to the center of the system. That way we can delete the old 10 MB routers located around the campus and use the existing fiber to move the routing function to the center. Jim Driskell Manager of Network Services University of Puget Sound (253) 756-1302 jdriskell@ups.edu James Dorris wrote: > We are installing a campus wide network (fiber interbuilding and CAT5 > intrabuilding) this summer. I am currently making some decisions on > active electronics (mainly which brand to go with) and have heard an > awful lot of differing stories about who's a stable company and who's > not. I'd love to hear some more opinions on active electronics > manufacturers. > The big three I'm looking at are 3Com, Bay, Cisco. What concerns are > there about them still being here in one, two, five years and will they > be supporting their existing products? Any insight or suggestions on > more places to get insight would be appreciated... Thanx > > Jim Dorris > Mgr of comp Srvcs > Warner Pacific College From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Fri Jul 24 13:06:32 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: FW: HIGHER-ED-Y2K (fwd) Message-ID: fyi > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bob Broedel > To: academic-networking@net.tamu.edu > Subject: HIGHER-ED-Y2K > > > ====================================================================== > Date : Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:23:33 PDT > >From : Bill Bauriedel > Subject: NEW: HIGHER-ED-Y2K - Year 2000 Discussion for Higher > Education > To: NEW-LIST@HYPATIA.CS.WISC.EDU > > HIGHER-ED-Y2K on MAJORDOMO@LISTS.STANFORD.EDU > > HIGHER-ED-Y2K is a closed, unmoderated discussion list. The purpose > of this list is to discuss year 2000 issues of particular interest > to the higher education community. Topics can include, but are not > limited to: > - applications (e.g. registration, financial aid, graduation), > - facilities (e.g. housing, labs, access systems, embedded systems), > - vendors (e.g. banks, government agencies, purchasing), > - faculty, staff, student awareness campaigns, > - contingency planning, disaster recovery, > - computer systems (e.g. desktop, servers, mainframe, operating > systems, security, backup/restore), > - infrastructure (web, e-mail), > - testing, > > Inappropriate topics might be discussions of the Y2K impact on society > at large, industry topics that have little or nothing to do with > managing a higher education institution (e.g. what Ford Motor Co. > is doing to address Y2K issues (unless it is relevant to higher ed)). > > To subscribe, send the following command in the BODY of mail > to MAJORDOMO@LISTS.STANFORD.EDU: > > SUBSCRIBE HIGHER-ED-Y2K > > Owner: Bill Bauriedel BILLB@STANFORD.EDU > > From kelly at lclark.edu Fri Jul 24 16:03:42 1998 From: kelly at lclark.edu (Kelly Wainwright) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help Desk Software Message-ID: The FileMaker Pro based Help Desk software that we (mainly Pacific) have been working on is ready to move to the next level. In order to do so, we need to bring all the *seriously* interested folks together. To do so, we've scheduled a meeting next Friday (July 31st) at 10am at Lewis & Clark. We will be meeting in the IT Conference Room (go in the front door of Watzek Library and take an immediate left). At this meeting we will be discussing the following: 1. Costs to continue - we are planning to hire a consultant to fine tune the database and put it on the web and distributing the costs to those schools who will be using it. 2. What needs to be added and/or changed in the current database - this requires that you take a look and play with the database as it stands. The consultant we are planning to hire will be at the meeting to hear our ideas and needs. To get a copy of the databases, please send e-mail to battya1@pacificu.edu. 3. Next steps. Please let me know if you are planning to come and if you have any questions. Thanks, Kelly Kelly Wainwright INTERNET: kelly@lclark.edu Information Technology PHONE: (503) 768-7245 Lewis & Clark College FAX: (503) 768-7228 From barnold at willamette.edu Fri Jul 24 17:24:11 1998 From: barnold at willamette.edu (Bruce Arnold) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help Desk Software Message-ID: <01BDB727.E0056760.barnold@willamette.edu> On Friday, July 24, 1998 4:15 PM, Kelly Wainwright [SMTP:kelly@lclark.edu] wrote: > > The FileMaker Pro based Help Desk software that we (mainly Pacific) > have been working on is ready to move to the next level. In order to do > so, we need to bring all the *seriously* interested folks together. > To do so, we've scheduled a meeting next Friday (July 31st) at 10am at > Lewis & Clark. We will be meeting in the IT Conference Room (go in the > front door of Watzek Library and take an immediate left). Count on two from George Fox! > At this meeting we will be discussing the following: > > 1. Costs to continue - we are planning to hire a consultant to fine tune > the database and put it on the web and distributing the costs to those > schools who will be using it. If I may make a suggestion... The database needs to be tried out by actual Help Deskers before we pay for fine tuning. Let the system go through a trial by fire, see if any significant changes are needed, THEN pay someone to change it. This note covers #2 below as well, in that the system needs to be tested on an actual Help Desk. > 2. What needs to be added and/or changed in the current database - this > requires that you take a look and play with the database as it stands. > The consultant we are planning to hire will be at the meeting to hear our > ideas and needs. To get a copy of the databases, please send e-mail to > battya1@pacificu.edu. > 3. Next steps. > > Please let me know if you are planning to come and if you have any > questions. I do have a question - I thought the group was going to look over the GFU ColdFusion/web based system, then discuss possibly merging the two somehow if it's possible. Now it sounds like you've all but finished the FMPro system. Do you all still want to see what we've done here? Should we come up and demo the system? (If so, I'll bring one of the student workeers who has been using the system as we test it.) Or, honestly, is it now too l ate? Tell me what you think. ----- Bruce Arnold :) Director of User Services George Fox University 503-554-2578 From battya1 at pacificu.edu Mon Jul 27 08:48:05 1998 From: battya1 at pacificu.edu (Allison Batty) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help Desk Software In-Reply-To: <01BDB727.E0056760.barnold@willamette.edu> Message-ID: I have enclosed the database for you to look over. It has been stuffed and is in FileMaker 4.0. (Please be aware that this database is currently the property of Pacific University and may only be used to evaluate and determine your institutions role in the project.) Before the meeting, please make a list of additional fields that you may require for your institution, a list of reports you might want and any other needs you would like addressed. Please be aware when creating your list that this database is intended to be institution neutral in order that several schools may use it. Not all needs may be met for every institution in order to maintain the simplicity of the database. In regards to your question on combining Pacific's database with George Fox's: As we are on a tight timeframe, needing to complete it by August 17 if possible, we decided to forge ahead as we had not yet heard word on the ColdFusion database. Pacific, unfortunately doesn't have the staff resources to spend any additional time on the database and that is why we researched hiring a consultant. I am not against considering the possibility of merging the two databases, but I want to make sure that it could be done in the timeframe indicated and would not require additional strain on staff resources. Pacific's is looking for the most efficient, simple, and timely solution and at this point, we feel that hiring the consultant would be the best solution. Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions or concerns. Allison :) from the desktop of____________________________________________ ALLISON L. BATTY e-mail: battya1@pacificu.edu User Support Services Coordinator voice: 503.359.2799 Pacific University Computer Store fax: 503.359.2959 _______________________________________________________________ From weisman at pacificu.edu Mon Jul 27 09:56:54 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help Desk Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just one more note as we all negotiate this. It's a matter of good faith. We spent a year working on this project out of our budget and my staff's sweat and blood. We're distributing it in good faith for everyone's review. If you do use it, or any portion of it, we would a) like to know, and b) like credit for the work we've done. Once the consortium has built a communal application we'll also figure out the best way to "license" it (I'm partial to gnu-style, myself). Thanks for your judgement and discretion. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+