From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Jun 2 15:22:20 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Apple Message-ID: Jeb, Sorry about the delay. We'll send 2 or 3? How'd dissertation go? Tom At 8:50 AM 5/12/98, Jeb Weisman wrote: >OK, I've tallied all the votes and there's a small but clear majority for >Friday, July 10th. So Unless something nuclear has happened for you all >in the last two weeks, that's the date (I just need to confirm with >Apple). > >Can I get a rough head count of how many would be coming? > >Thanks gang. > >-Jeb > >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | >| Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | >| University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | >| Services 97116 | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cqualey at linfield.edu Tue Jun 2 15:37:30 1998 From: cqualey at linfield.edu (Carol Qualey) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Cool Tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeb, Documentation for MS Office 98 for the Macintosh ---------------------- Carol Qualey Software Support, Linfield College 900 SE Baker, McMinnville, OR 97128 Email: cqualey@linfield.edu Phone: (503)434-2559 From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Thu Jun 4 08:30:11 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Here is an interesting url for On Line Web based curriculum delivery tools and an analysis of various tools: http://www.ctt.bc.ca/landonline/backgrn2.html#apps From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Jun 9 14:35:42 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Help: Usenet Newsgroup Feeds/usage on campuses Message-ID: Evergreen is in the process of planning a pilot Usenet newsgroup project. I'd appreciate any help you all could give me by answering the following questions on newsgroups and usage: Do you take a full news feed? If the answer is no, what do you exclude and what is your justification for doing so? Who provides your newsfeed? What is your annual cost for the feed? Were additional data lines required? Are they used only for the newsfeed? What is your hardware and software platform and disk space required? Did you have to add disk space? Do you allow and support local groups? How are they created, administered, maintained? What newsreaders do you use or recommend for Windows and Macintosh? Are they a support burden? Do you have documentation you are willing to share? Staffing ? how much staff time does it take to keep it running, update software, etc? What authentication, if any, is associated with a posting ? username, machine name/location, IP address, etc? Is anonymous access supported, the rule, or the exception? How do you support access from labs and off-campus? Do users have to log-in to use the service or can they simply use a newsreader and point it at the news server? Have you faced and/or resolved issues of multiple user profiles on lab systems? Do you have/recommend useful contacts at other regional sites? Do you have an issue with minors or guests having access to news groups? If so what are the issues and how have to dealt with them? Thanks for the assistance and information. I'll try to compose a summary of responses. Julian Julian Pietras aka "Pete" Assistant Director Computing and Communications Evergreen State College 2700 Evergreen Parkway NW Olympia, WA 98505 (360) 866-6000 x 6235 pietrasp@evergreen.edu From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Jun 9 14:55:26 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Anti-virus software comparison: Dr Solomon, FPROT, McAfee Message-ID: The college has been evaluating anti-virus software for a few months. Our tabulated comparison is available at the url below: http://192.211.16.13/individuals/pietrasp/virus_composite.html If you want more information or information on costs we found, I'd be pleased to discuss it with you. You can email me at pietrasp@evergreen.edu Thanks to all of you who responded to my original questions. take care have fun julian From mmyers at willamette.edu Wed Jun 10 14:32:49 1998 From: mmyers at willamette.edu (Mike Myers) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Help: Usenet Newsgroup Feeds/usage on campuses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We've had a news feed from OGI for years (for free) and I'm sure we'd get in trouble with some users if we tried to pull it, but frankly I think it's outlived it's usefulness. Services such as Dejanews are better connected, have much more disk space and, best of all, are searchable. There's even competition in this area "www.supernews.com". We allocate about 1.5gb of disk for news feeds and we expire articles in most groups in two days (job listings we expire daily because of the size!). The software (inn-1.5.1) runs on an old SS10 which is situated just inside our network (so all that traffic doesn't have far to go). We'll add any group someone asks for specifically (we're really waiting for that request for alt.kinkysex or some such), otherwise we just accept what comes down the wire. It seems to crash pretty regularly at which point we just give it a restart and it usually goes on it's merry way. We've received about 40000 articles since 2am this morning. There are about 2000 groups we receive that our news software doesn't think are valid (generally we just missed the "create group" control message because we were down) and about 3500 groups we accept so all-in-all it's a pretty small feed (supernews boasts 30,000 news groups!) We have a local "willamette." heirachy, but it's lightly (read not) used. There were a lot of groups created initially in there, but only a generaly discussion group and a forsale group ever got any traffic. We expire those group in 30 days. There is no authentication required for posting, but it is limited to on-campus so we can pretty easily track folks down. Again, Dejanews supports posting so... We have done a little with user profiles in the labs. We have a custom login application (written by John Callaha) which can parse (based on a .ini file) the prefs.js file used by the current version of Netscape. Into this we can stuff things like username, bookmark file location (on their home directory) etc. This only works for PC's. - Mike Myers, Willamette University On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Pietras, Pete wrote: > Evergreen is in the process of planning a pilot Usenet newsgroup > project. I'd appreciate any help you all could give me by answering the > following questions on newsgroups and usage: > > Do you take a full news feed? If the answer is no, what do you exclude > and what is your justification for doing so? > > Who provides your newsfeed? What is your annual cost for the feed? > Were additional data lines required? Are they used only for the > newsfeed? > > What is your hardware and software platform and disk space required? > Did you have to add disk space? > > Do you allow and support local groups? How are they created, > administered, maintained? > > What newsreaders do you use or recommend for Windows and Macintosh? Are > they a support burden? Do you have documentation you are willing to > share? > > Staffing ñ how much staff time does it take to keep it running, update > software, etc? > > What authentication, if any, is associated with a posting ñ username, > machine name/location, IP address, etc? Is anonymous access supported, > the rule, or the exception? > > How do you support access from labs and off-campus? Do users have to > log-in to use the service or can they simply use a newsreader and point > it at the news server? Have you faced and/or resolved issues of > multiple user profiles on lab systems? > > Do you have/recommend useful contacts at other regional sites? > > Do you have an issue with minors or guests having access to news groups? > If so what are the issues and how have to dealt with them? > > > Thanks for the assistance and information. I'll try to compose a > summary of responses. > > Julian > Julian Pietras aka "Pete" > Assistant Director Computing and Communications > Evergreen State College > 2700 Evergreen Parkway NW > Olympia, WA 98505 > (360) 866-6000 x 6235 > pietrasp@evergreen.edu > From pitterk at whitman.edu Fri Jun 12 20:09:19 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: position announcement Message-ID: Director of User Services: Full-time position responsible for providing support and training for the use of technologies on campus. Requires bachelors degree in computer science, information technology or related field, 3 years experience in microcomputer user support and 2 years experience teaching. Experience in multimedia production and/or user services in higher education preferred. Submit a cover letter, resume, and names and phone numbers of three references by June 30, 1998, to Personnel Office, Whitman College, 345 Boyer, Walla Walla, WA 99362. Complete job description available upon request. Whitman College is building a diverse academic community and encourages minorities, women and persons with disabilities to apply. Whitman College is an independent residential, non-sectarian, liberal arts and sciences college of 1300 students, 120 faculty and 230 staff. Whitman is an ideal place for learning and scholarship and for promoting personal growth, character and responsibility. From weisman at pacificu.edu Fri Jun 19 08:49:22 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Follow-up Message-ID: A few items following up on yesterday's CAUSE/CNI/NWACC NW-HEAT BoF sessions (how's that for ritual obfuscation?). Please note for item #3 we agreed that we'd discuss stuff on the list, then finalize things at Summer Camp on 7/10. 1) Apple. If you're coming to the Summer Camp on July 10th here at Pacific, make certain you have registered at http://www.applenw.com/seminars/sc98/ There's an agenda, plus they need some info including t-shirt size. Space is filling up and there is a 100 person cap. They're actually bringing in an NT and Novell network, so this may be fairly useful. 2) NWNet (Verio). We have formal confirmation that rates are NOT going up, as was suggested might be the case. I also asked if they had a window on when they'd be discussing new service packages and the like. They aren't even close. 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for smaller less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. We are especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at which the 14 grant recipients will be presenting. b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could underwrite a portion of the cost of bringing corporate training (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location to overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as the Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kelly at lclark.edu Mon Jun 29 09:39:48 1998 From: kelly at lclark.edu (Kelly Wainwright) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:34 2004 Subject: Help Desk Software Message-ID: During the Spring NW-HEAT meeting here at Lewis & Clark, several schools expressed an interest in collaborating on help desk software. Allison Batty of Pacific showed us the FileMaker Pro database that she had started and we all agreed that it was a good jumping off point. Now, Allison and I would like to pull representatives from interested institutions together at lunch during Summer Camp 1998 at Pacific University on July 10th. We've decided that it is time to update you on where things stand and to get your input on future plans. It will probably be a more constructive meeting if each interested institution designate one representative to join us. By then we will also hopefully have some idea of the associated costs involved. If you have any questions before that time, please feel free to send me some e-mail and I'll answer as best as I can. I look forward to seeing you there, Kelly Kelly Wainwright INTERNET: kelly@lclark.edu Information Technology PHONE: (503) 768-7245 Lewis & Clark College FAX: (503) 768-7228 From kpaul at marylhurst.edu Mon Jun 29 12:10:19 1998 From: kpaul at marylhurst.edu (Kathleen Paul) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:35 2004 Subject: Help Desk Software References: Message-ID: <3597E69B.59F8@marylhurst.edu> Mark -- we talked about you going to this -- are you? If not, would you please get in touch with Allison at Pacific and make sure that we're included in the discussions at some point? Thanks, K. Kelly Wainwright wrote: > > During the Spring NW-HEAT meeting here at Lewis & Clark, several schools > expressed an interest in collaborating on help desk software. Allison > Batty of Pacific showed us the FileMaker Pro database that she had started > and we all agreed that it was a good jumping off point. > > Now, Allison and I would like to pull representatives from interested > institutions together at lunch during Summer Camp 1998 at Pacific > University on July 10th. We've decided that it is time to update you on > where things stand and to get your input on future plans. It will probably > be a more constructive meeting if each interested institution designate > one representative to join us. By then we will also hopefully have some > idea of the associated costs involved. > > If you have any questions before that time, please feel free to send me > some e-mail and I'll answer as best as I can. > > I look forward to seeing you there, > Kelly > > Kelly Wainwright INTERNET: kelly@lclark.edu > Information Technology PHONE: (503) 768-7245 > Lewis & Clark College FAX: (503) 768-7228 -- Kathleen Paul Director, Instructional Technology Marylhurst College Marylhurst, OR 97036 (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 Fax: (503) 636-9526 From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Jun 2 15:22:20 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Apple Message-ID: Jeb, Sorry about the delay. We'll send 2 or 3? How'd dissertation go? Tom At 8:50 AM 5/12/98, Jeb Weisman wrote: >OK, I've tallied all the votes and there's a small but clear majority for >Friday, July 10th. So Unless something nuclear has happened for you all >in the last two weeks, that's the date (I just need to confirm with >Apple). > >Can I get a rough head count of how many would be coming? > >Thanks gang. > >-Jeb > >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | >| Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | >| University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | >| Services 97116 | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cqualey at linfield.edu Tue Jun 2 15:37:30 1998 From: cqualey at linfield.edu (Carol Qualey) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Cool Tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeb, Documentation for MS Office 98 for the Macintosh ---------------------- Carol Qualey Software Support, Linfield College 900 SE Baker, McMinnville, OR 97128 Email: cqualey@linfield.edu Phone: (503)434-2559 From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Thu Jun 4 08:30:11 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Here is an interesting url for On Line Web based curriculum delivery tools and an analysis of various tools: http://www.ctt.bc.ca/landonline/backgrn2.html#apps From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Jun 9 14:35:42 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help: Usenet Newsgroup Feeds/usage on campuses Message-ID: Evergreen is in the process of planning a pilot Usenet newsgroup project. I'd appreciate any help you all could give me by answering the following questions on newsgroups and usage: Do you take a full news feed? If the answer is no, what do you exclude and what is your justification for doing so? Who provides your newsfeed? What is your annual cost for the feed? Were additional data lines required? Are they used only for the newsfeed? What is your hardware and software platform and disk space required? Did you have to add disk space? Do you allow and support local groups? How are they created, administered, maintained? What newsreaders do you use or recommend for Windows and Macintosh? Are they a support burden? Do you have documentation you are willing to share? Staffing ? how much staff time does it take to keep it running, update software, etc? What authentication, if any, is associated with a posting ? username, machine name/location, IP address, etc? Is anonymous access supported, the rule, or the exception? How do you support access from labs and off-campus? Do users have to log-in to use the service or can they simply use a newsreader and point it at the news server? Have you faced and/or resolved issues of multiple user profiles on lab systems? Do you have/recommend useful contacts at other regional sites? Do you have an issue with minors or guests having access to news groups? If so what are the issues and how have to dealt with them? Thanks for the assistance and information. I'll try to compose a summary of responses. Julian Julian Pietras aka "Pete" Assistant Director Computing and Communications Evergreen State College 2700 Evergreen Parkway NW Olympia, WA 98505 (360) 866-6000 x 6235 pietrasp@evergreen.edu From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Jun 9 14:55:26 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Anti-virus software comparison: Dr Solomon, FPROT, McAfee Message-ID: The college has been evaluating anti-virus software for a few months. Our tabulated comparison is available at the url below: http://192.211.16.13/individuals/pietrasp/virus_composite.html If you want more information or information on costs we found, I'd be pleased to discuss it with you. You can email me at pietrasp@evergreen.edu Thanks to all of you who responded to my original questions. take care have fun julian From mmyers at willamette.edu Wed Jun 10 14:32:49 1998 From: mmyers at willamette.edu (Mike Myers) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help: Usenet Newsgroup Feeds/usage on campuses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We've had a news feed from OGI for years (for free) and I'm sure we'd get in trouble with some users if we tried to pull it, but frankly I think it's outlived it's usefulness. Services such as Dejanews are better connected, have much more disk space and, best of all, are searchable. There's even competition in this area "www.supernews.com". We allocate about 1.5gb of disk for news feeds and we expire articles in most groups in two days (job listings we expire daily because of the size!). The software (inn-1.5.1) runs on an old SS10 which is situated just inside our network (so all that traffic doesn't have far to go). We'll add any group someone asks for specifically (we're really waiting for that request for alt.kinkysex or some such), otherwise we just accept what comes down the wire. It seems to crash pretty regularly at which point we just give it a restart and it usually goes on it's merry way. We've received about 40000 articles since 2am this morning. There are about 2000 groups we receive that our news software doesn't think are valid (generally we just missed the "create group" control message because we were down) and about 3500 groups we accept so all-in-all it's a pretty small feed (supernews boasts 30,000 news groups!) We have a local "willamette." heirachy, but it's lightly (read not) used. There were a lot of groups created initially in there, but only a generaly discussion group and a forsale group ever got any traffic. We expire those group in 30 days. There is no authentication required for posting, but it is limited to on-campus so we can pretty easily track folks down. Again, Dejanews supports posting so... We have done a little with user profiles in the labs. We have a custom login application (written by John Callaha) which can parse (based on a .ini file) the prefs.js file used by the current version of Netscape. Into this we can stuff things like username, bookmark file location (on their home directory) etc. This only works for PC's. - Mike Myers, Willamette University On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Pietras, Pete wrote: > Evergreen is in the process of planning a pilot Usenet newsgroup > project. I'd appreciate any help you all could give me by answering the > following questions on newsgroups and usage: > > Do you take a full news feed? If the answer is no, what do you exclude > and what is your justification for doing so? > > Who provides your newsfeed? What is your annual cost for the feed? > Were additional data lines required? Are they used only for the > newsfeed? > > What is your hardware and software platform and disk space required? > Did you have to add disk space? > > Do you allow and support local groups? How are they created, > administered, maintained? > > What newsreaders do you use or recommend for Windows and Macintosh? Are > they a support burden? Do you have documentation you are willing to > share? > > Staffing ñ how much staff time does it take to keep it running, update > software, etc? > > What authentication, if any, is associated with a posting ñ username, > machine name/location, IP address, etc? Is anonymous access supported, > the rule, or the exception? > > How do you support access from labs and off-campus? Do users have to > log-in to use the service or can they simply use a newsreader and point > it at the news server? Have you faced and/or resolved issues of > multiple user profiles on lab systems? > > Do you have/recommend useful contacts at other regional sites? > > Do you have an issue with minors or guests having access to news groups? > If so what are the issues and how have to dealt with them? > > > Thanks for the assistance and information. I'll try to compose a > summary of responses. > > Julian > Julian Pietras aka "Pete" > Assistant Director Computing and Communications > Evergreen State College > 2700 Evergreen Parkway NW > Olympia, WA 98505 > (360) 866-6000 x 6235 > pietrasp@evergreen.edu > From pitterk at whitman.edu Fri Jun 12 20:09:19 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: position announcement Message-ID: Director of User Services: Full-time position responsible for providing support and training for the use of technologies on campus. Requires bachelors degree in computer science, information technology or related field, 3 years experience in microcomputer user support and 2 years experience teaching. Experience in multimedia production and/or user services in higher education preferred. Submit a cover letter, resume, and names and phone numbers of three references by June 30, 1998, to Personnel Office, Whitman College, 345 Boyer, Walla Walla, WA 99362. Complete job description available upon request. Whitman College is building a diverse academic community and encourages minorities, women and persons with disabilities to apply. Whitman College is an independent residential, non-sectarian, liberal arts and sciences college of 1300 students, 120 faculty and 230 staff. Whitman is an ideal place for learning and scholarship and for promoting personal growth, character and responsibility. From weisman at pacificu.edu Fri Jun 19 08:49:22 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Follow-up Message-ID: A few items following up on yesterday's CAUSE/CNI/NWACC NW-HEAT BoF sessions (how's that for ritual obfuscation?). Please note for item #3 we agreed that we'd discuss stuff on the list, then finalize things at Summer Camp on 7/10. 1) Apple. If you're coming to the Summer Camp on July 10th here at Pacific, make certain you have registered at http://www.applenw.com/seminars/sc98/ There's an agenda, plus they need some info including t-shirt size. Space is filling up and there is a 100 person cap. They're actually bringing in an NT and Novell network, so this may be fairly useful. 2) NWNet (Verio). We have formal confirmation that rates are NOT going up, as was suggested might be the case. I also asked if they had a window on when they'd be discussing new service packages and the like. They aren't even close. 3) Possible proposals to NWACC. Briefly stated: a) For end-users (faculty), some sort of grant, especially for smaller less wealthy institutions to pay to get them to training sessions. We are especially enticed by the idea getting them to the worekshop at which the 14 grant recipients will be presenting. b) For technical staff, an "institute" for which NWACC could underwrite a portion of the cost of bringing corporate training (CISCO/SUN/Datatel/Banner/whatever) to a somewhat central location to overcome the often prohibitive cost of doing this individually. c) An NWACC sponsored meeting to bring HR, IT, and Financial Affairs people into the same room to discuss the IT staffing crisis, much as the Murdock workshops brought faculty, library, and IT together. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kelly at lclark.edu Mon Jun 29 09:39:48 1998 From: kelly at lclark.edu (Kelly Wainwright) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help Desk Software Message-ID: During the Spring NW-HEAT meeting here at Lewis & Clark, several schools expressed an interest in collaborating on help desk software. Allison Batty of Pacific showed us the FileMaker Pro database that she had started and we all agreed that it was a good jumping off point. Now, Allison and I would like to pull representatives from interested institutions together at lunch during Summer Camp 1998 at Pacific University on July 10th. We've decided that it is time to update you on where things stand and to get your input on future plans. It will probably be a more constructive meeting if each interested institution designate one representative to join us. By then we will also hopefully have some idea of the associated costs involved. If you have any questions before that time, please feel free to send me some e-mail and I'll answer as best as I can. I look forward to seeing you there, Kelly Kelly Wainwright INTERNET: kelly@lclark.edu Information Technology PHONE: (503) 768-7245 Lewis & Clark College FAX: (503) 768-7228 From kpaul at marylhurst.edu Mon Jun 29 12:10:19 1998 From: kpaul at marylhurst.edu (Kathleen Paul) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Help Desk Software References: Message-ID: <3597E69B.59F8@marylhurst.edu> Mark -- we talked about you going to this -- are you? If not, would you please get in touch with Allison at Pacific and make sure that we're included in the discussions at some point? Thanks, K. Kelly Wainwright wrote: > > During the Spring NW-HEAT meeting here at Lewis & Clark, several schools > expressed an interest in collaborating on help desk software. Allison > Batty of Pacific showed us the FileMaker Pro database that she had started > and we all agreed that it was a good jumping off point. > > Now, Allison and I would like to pull representatives from interested > institutions together at lunch during Summer Camp 1998 at Pacific > University on July 10th. We've decided that it is time to update you on > where things stand and to get your input on future plans. It will probably > be a more constructive meeting if each interested institution designate > one representative to join us. By then we will also hopefully have some > idea of the associated costs involved. > > If you have any questions before that time, please feel free to send me > some e-mail and I'll answer as best as I can. > > I look forward to seeing you there, > Kelly > > Kelly Wainwright INTERNET: kelly@lclark.edu > Information Technology PHONE: (503) 768-7245 > Lewis & Clark College FAX: (503) 768-7228 -- Kathleen Paul Director, Instructional Technology Marylhurst College Marylhurst, OR 97036 (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 Fax: (503) 636-9526