From worleyme at plu.edu Mon Mar 2 09:07:22 1998 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: <0EP700D5IBPNRK@plu.edu> Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS Office applications? We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. Margaret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University phone: (253)535-8470 e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From weisman at pacificu.edu Mon Mar 2 09:42:28 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: <0EP700D5IBPNRK@plu.edu> Message-ID: Margaret, We've been looking at this sort of thing, too. I haven't seen the Catapult package. However, from a classroom training point of view, they have excellent materials. One of the things that impressed us about them was that rather than simply re-writing the tutorials that usually come with the application, they wrote their own tutorial manuals from a real client needs point of view. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Margaret Worley wrote: > Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS > Office applications? > > We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. > > Margaret > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Margaret Worley > Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support > Computing and Telecommunication Services > Pacific Lutheran University > phone: (253)535-8470 > e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu > From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Mar 2 10:26:45 1998 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: <0EP700D5IBPNRK@plu.edu> Message-ID: Margaret: We are looking at some of the offerings from CBT Systems. They offer a lot of titles, and we are thinking of trying some of their Office and Win titles. --Bret At 9:40 AM -0800 3/2/98, Margaret Worley wrote: >Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS >Office applications? > >We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. > >Margaret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >Margaret Worley >Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support >Computing and Telecommunication Services >Pacific Lutheran University >phone: (253)535-8470 >e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From rminato at willamette.edu Mon Mar 2 11:28:15 1998 From: rminato at willamette.edu (Robert Minato) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic ... has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make a move to learn more about the software. I would think that those inclined to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get on with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more likely to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a workshop. I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and probably not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be curious to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to see if the materials work? Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office 98? Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word currently in use! (; r. From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Mon Mar 2 13:10:04 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: Hmm. Depends what is meant by on-line. We have looked into a few CD based, video based, and screen based tutorials from CTI, courseware technologies, and others. I'm not convinced that the material would be used. In some cases the material was not the most current. In some cases it did not function well under NT -- even though I was looking at a training package for NT. We have not explored WEB based tutorials which might be server based. pete > ---------- > From: Margaret Worley > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, March 2, 1998 9:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: On-line tutorials > > Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS > Office applications? > > We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. > > Margaret > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Margaret Worley > Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support > Computing and Telecommunication Services > Pacific Lutheran University > phone: (253)535-8470 > e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Mon Mar 2 13:12:04 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: Our most successful sessions for staff have been general workshops offered in the Computer Cneter and customized to our audience. Faculty respond, but not real well, to summer institutes (where they are paid) and to one-on-one sessions focusing on their office needs. > ---------- > From: Robert Minato > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, March 2, 1998 11:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: On-line tutorials > > > Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic > ... > has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this > stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette > (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, > individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make > a > move to learn more about the software. I would think that those > inclined > to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get > on > with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more > likely > to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a > workshop. > > I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works > with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and > probably > not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be > curious > to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to > see > if the materials work? > > Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office > 98? > > Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word > currently in use! (; > > r. > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Mon Mar 2 14:50:14 1998 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0EP70071WRL2JM@plu.edu> Robert, We're in the process of doing a faculty/staff needs assessment and this will be one of the questions. We have a campus wide initiative to come up with a computer training plan. Since our software support staff is small (2), we don't have the luxury of developing our own materials or teach our own classes. We seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place because no one wants to spend the money to go off campus for a day. We're looking at the possibility of combining a few basic on-campus courses (taught by an outside vendor) and an on-line training package that we've seen. The package also has reporting capabilities so we can tell which employees have completed each section of the courses. No one said this was going to be easy. We'll keep trying... Thanks for the reply Margaret ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:50:57 -0800 From: Robert Minato Subject: Re: On-line tutorials To: Multiple recipients of list Reply-to: nw-heat@willamette.org Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic ... has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make a move to learn more about the software. I would think that those inclined to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get on with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more likely to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a workshop. I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and probably not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be curious to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to see if the materials work? Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office 98? Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word currently in use! (; r. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University phone: (253)535-8470 e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Mar 2 16:22:14 1998 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Spring Meeting Message-ID: I jst wanted to let everyone know that Lewis & Clark will be hosting the Spring NWHeat meeting on Friday, April 24. More information will follow (such as a schedule of events), but I wanted to give everyone ample notice so that they can mark it on their calendars. --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Executive Director phone: 503-768-7227 Information Technology fax: 503-768-7228 Lewis & Clark College url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pitterk at whitman.edu Mon Mar 2 20:20:20 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms In-Reply-To: <34F702EE.13F7@marylhurst.edu> Message-ID: if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? --> Keiko On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the > list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. > > -- Kathleen > > > > Pietras, Pete wrote: > > > > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support > > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months > > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning > > curve. > > > > pete > > > > > ---------- > > -- > Kathleen Paul, Director > Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > Marylhurst College > Marylhurst, OR 97036 > > (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > Fax: (503) 636-9526 > From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Mar 3 09:49:56 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: Keiko, Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," this is exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular package would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" session. Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? Tom \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > >--> Keiko > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. >> >> -- Kathleen >> >> >> >> Pietras, Pete wrote: >> > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning >> > curve. >> > >> > pete >> > >> > > ---------- >> >> -- >> Kathleen Paul, Director >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology >> Marylhurst College >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 >> >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 >> From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Mar 3 10:51:04 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: I agree. This seems like an excellent candidate for including and probably would generate some discussion. > ---------- > From: aldrich@ups.edu > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:36 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms > > Keiko, > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," > this is > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular > package > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" > session. > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > Tom > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > >--> Keiko > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if > the > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with > individuals. > >> > >> -- Kathleen > >> > >> > >> > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: > >> > > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and > support > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few > months > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high > learning > >> > curve. > >> > > >> > pete > >> > > >> > > ---------- > >> > >> -- > >> Kathleen Paul, Director > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > >> Marylhurst College > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 > >> > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 > >> > > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Mar 3 15:49:31 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: Another support resource we have tried at Evergreen with success is using "expert" student employees to provide individual tutorial with faculty in their office. We had 60 one-hour contact sessions on Word on the Windows or Mac platforms. It was successful and cost the institution under $1200 for student salary, documentation development, expertise building, and a small amount of follow-up. However, we haven't received additional funding to do it again, yet. > ---------- > From: Margaret Worley > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, March 2, 1998 3:06 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: On-line tutorials > > Robert, > > We're in the process of doing a faculty/staff needs assessment and > this will be one of the questions. We have a campus wide initiative > to come up with a computer training plan. Since our software support > staff is small (2), we don't have the luxury of developing our own > materials or teach our own classes. > > We seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place because no one > wants to spend the money to go off campus for a day. We're looking > at the possibility of combining a few basic on-campus courses (taught > by an outside vendor) and an on-line training package that we've > seen. The package also has reporting capabilities so we can tell > which employees have completed each section of the courses. No one > said this was going to be easy. We'll keep trying... > > Thanks for the reply > Margaret > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:50:57 -0800 > From: Robert Minato > Subject: Re: On-line tutorials > To: Multiple recipients of list > Reply-to: nw-heat@willamette.org > > > Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic > ... > has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this > stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette > (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, > individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make > a > move to learn more about the software. I would think that those > inclined > to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get > on > with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more > likely > to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a > workshop. > > I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works > with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and > probably > not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be > curious > to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to > see > if the materials work? > > Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office > 98? > > Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word > currently in use! (; > > r. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Margaret Worley > Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support > Computing and Telecommunication Services > Pacific Lutheran University > phone: (253)535-8470 > e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu > From pitterk at whitman.edu Tue Mar 3 22:24:35 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? --> Keiko On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > Keiko, > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," this is > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular package > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" session. > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > Tom > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > >--> Keiko > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. > >> > >> -- Kathleen > >> > >> > >> > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: > >> > > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning > >> > curve. > >> > > >> > pete > >> > > >> > > ---------- > >> > >> -- > >> Kathleen Paul, Director > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > >> Marylhurst College > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 > >> > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 > >> > > > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Wed Mar 4 08:00:40 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: i agree...how abotu a quick demo of what it can do over web? > ---------- > From: Keiko Pitter > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms > > let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? > > --> Keiko > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > > > Keiko, > > > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," > this is > > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular > package > > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" > session. > > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > > > Tom > > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > > > >--> Keiko > > > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT > if the > > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with > individuals. > > >> > > >> -- Kathleen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: > > >> > > > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and > support > > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few > months > > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high > learning > > >> > curve. > > >> > > > >> > pete > > >> > > > >> > > ---------- > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Kathleen Paul, Director > > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > > >> Marylhurst College > > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 > > >> > > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 > > >> > > > > > > > From aldrich at ups.edu Wed Mar 4 09:50:59 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: sounds good to me also. we could also demo webboard from o'reilly if folks are interested in an alternative to news At 8:17 AM 3/4/98, Pietras, Pete wrote: >i agree...how abotu a quick demo of what it can do over web? > >> ---------- >> From: Keiko Pitter >> Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:32 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms >> >> let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? >> >> --> Keiko >> >> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: >> >> > Keiko, >> > >> > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," >> this is >> > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular >> package >> > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" >> session. >> > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? >> > >> > Tom >> > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >> > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the >> > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? >> > > >> > >--> Keiko >> > > >> > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: >> > > >> > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT >> if the >> > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with >> individuals. >> > >> >> > >> -- Kathleen >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and >> support >> > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few >> months >> > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high >> learning >> > >> > curve. >> > >> > >> > >> > pete >> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------- >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Kathleen Paul, Director >> > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology >> > >> Marylhurst College >> > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 >> > >> >> > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 >> > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> From bnelson at willamette.edu Wed Mar 4 10:08:50 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (optional) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980304180850.0067bc80@gemini.willamette.edu> I set up Web Course in a Box and it is looking REALLY promising. No programming needed, and includes features such as Quizzes, Forums, etc. I will try to get some faculty feedback in the next week... BN At 10:32 PM 3/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? > >--> Keiko > >On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > >> Keiko, >> >> Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," this is >> exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular package >> would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" session. >> Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? >> >> Tom >> \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >> >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the >> >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? >> > >> >--> Keiko >> > >> >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: >> > >> >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the >> >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. >> >> >> >> -- Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pietras, Pete wrote: >> >> > >> >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support >> >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months >> >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning >> >> > curve. >> >> > >> >> > pete >> >> > >> >> > > ---------- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kathleen Paul, Director >> >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology >> >> Marylhurst College >> >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 >> >> >> >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 >> >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 >> >> >> >> >> > > From kpaul at marylhurst.edu Wed Mar 4 10:44:35 1998 From: kpaul at marylhurst.edu (Kathleen Paul) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms References: Message-ID: <34FDA113.1B14@marylhurst.edu> Am happy to show what we're doing, talk about process, problems, etc. Does anyone else on the list have a WebCT project? It would be great to see several examples -- we do have over 30 courses running, ranging from a 100-level Pacific NW weather class to graduate MBA courses, and we can provide views to several. -- Kathleen Pietras, Pete wrote: > > i agree...how abotu a quick demo of what it can do over web? > > > ---------- > > From: Keiko Pitter > > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:32 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms > > > > let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? > > > > --> Keiko > > > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > > > > > Keiko, > > > > > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," > > this is > > > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular > > package > > > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" > > session. > > > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > > > > > Tom > > > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > > > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > > > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > > > > > >--> Keiko > > > > > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT > > if the > > > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with > > individuals. > > > >> > > > >> -- Kathleen > > > >> -- Kathleen Paul, Director Distance Learning & Instructional Technology Marylhurst College Marylhurst, OR 97036 (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 Fax: (503) 636-9526 From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Wed Mar 4 14:06:20 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? Message-ID: Evergreen is close to selecting an anti-virus software suite. We have been evaluating and running copies of McAfee and Dr Solomon (and Virex for the Mac). We have begun to look into FPROT (not available on Macs). We'd like one suite, if possible, for all platforms. So far, costs look like $12,000-14,000. Does anyone have good/bad experience with any or all of these packages on Windows, Mac, Unix platforms? What about experience with Server based software checking email and/or attachments (although I'm not sure how they would do attachment checking)? If anyone has a summary of analysis they have completed, please send it to me. Please respond. I'll provide a summary after comments cease. pete From worleyme at plu.edu Thu Mar 5 09:56:07 1998 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0EPC00N1PXU2FC@plu.edu> Pete, We're using McAfee on all of our pcs and a few of our lab macs. They're installed on each individual system though. Our experience has been mostly good. We may have found some problems with the latest version of McAfee running on NT but are researching those. Margaret ----------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:47:54 -0800 From: "Pietras, Pete" Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? To: Multiple recipients of list Reply-to: nw-heat@willamette.org Evergreen is close to selecting an anti-virus software suite. We have been evaluating and running copies of McAfee and Dr Solomon (and Virex for the Mac). We have begun to look into FPROT (not available on Macs). We'd like one suite, if possible, for all platforms. So far, costs look like $12,000-14,000. Does anyone have good/bad experience with any or all of these packages on Windows, Mac, Unix platforms? What about experience with Server based software checking email and/or attachments (although I'm not sure how they would do attachment checking)? If anyone has a summary of analysis they have completed, please send it to me. Please respond. I'll provide a summary after comments cease. pete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University phone: (253)535-8470 e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From mdunn at reed.edu Thu Mar 5 12:21:13 1998 From: mdunn at reed.edu (Marvin Dunn) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Pietras, Pete wrote: > Evergreen is close to selecting an anti-virus software suite. We have > been evaluating and running copies of McAfee and Dr Solomon (and Virex > for the Mac). We have begun to look into FPROT (not available on Macs). > We'd like one suite, if possible, for all platforms. So far, costs look > like $12,000-14,000. We're trying to make a similar decision at Reed. Part of the question is whether to provide virus protection for students. Is anyone doing that? If they're not protected, what level of support do you provide to students when they run into virus problems? One possible strategy we have talked about is to buy SAM for support staff and clean up after the fact. The majority of folks on campus are still using Word 5.1a so the Word Marco virus hasn't been too big of a problem (knock on wood). Also, we're kind of waiting to see what level of virus protection will be build into Office 98 for the Mac. Has anyone heard anything conclusive about that? I also contacted Thor Prichard from OETC (since he's a Reedie) to find out the "official" word on Washington schools participating in software purchases from them... here's what he says... Yes, Washington Schools can join the OETC. Anyone from the US, in fact. Only the name implies Oregon. For your convenience, here's the Dr. Solomon and McAfee pricing. Remember, this is ala-carte. Buy one media set and the number of licenses you need for the number of workstations you're and McAfee pricing. Remember, this is ala-carte. Buy one media set and the number of licenses you need for the number of workstations you're installing. Both vendors include 2 yrs of updates via the web. Documentation is electronic, on the media sets. Let me know if you have other questions! McAfee License Prices VirusScan Security Suite $10.10 NetShield Security Suite $9.50 Internet Security Suite $9.50 Total Virus Defense $16.20 PC Medic $4.10 Zero Administration Kit $27.60 Media, all platforms $15.90 -- Dr. Solomon's License Prices VIREX (for Macs) $13.80 VIREX Diskset $12.00 Workstation (win,win95,dos) $13.80 Workstation CD-ROM $24.00 Server (WinNT, Netware) $13.80 Server CD-ROM $24.00 _____________________ Yours in Cyberspace, ______________________ R. Thor Prichard contracts@oetc.org Contracts Manager http://www.oetc.org/ Oregon Educational Technology Consortium Voice 503 588 1343 PO Box 65, Salem, OR 97308-0065 Fax 503 581 0468 This does really answer Pete's question but ... -Marv Marv Dunn Computer User Services mdunn@reed.edu Reed College KC7HYD Portland, OR 97202 OOD 34 "Milagro" From weisman at pacificu.edu Fri Mar 6 08:33:45 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Powerbook use in high humidity area south America? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I asked Apple about the PowerBook humidity issue. They say the system should work fine up to 90% condensing humidity. I would add a caveat from my own experience doing fieldwork in various Mexican, Guatemalan, and Southeast Asian locales. Outside of direct water, it's a good idea to store the system in a well ventilated place (there is a tendency to protect such things in foot lockers, cabinets, etc. for security and such. Unfortunately moisture that builds up in the field may not be able evaporate out without good ventilation. Likewise, don't immediately shut the system down. Place it, running, in your protected storage space so the heat from the system can dry out residual mositure. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Pietras, Pete wrote: > Need some opinion asap: > > We have a faculty member who will be going south American to a high > humidity area. Does anyone know if the Apple Powerbook will stand up to > extreme high humidity? Any one have experience with faculty using Macs > in South America? > > She doesn't need a lot of fancy stuff, just a basic system for data > collection and analysis with a few weeks. > > Thanks > pete > > From bnelson at willamette.edu Fri Mar 6 10:51:54 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: media editing Message-ID: Greetings all, You folks have had lots of experiences with different video editing solutions, so here's a good question... We need to edit together about a half hour TV show. We have a Mac 8500 with Adobe Premiere. When we edit video and output it at 1/4 screen size or smaller the video looks okay, but when we output video at full screen it looks more like a slide show than full motion video!! Are there add-in boards that would allow Premiere to output "real" video at, say, 24 frames per second or hardware/software combinations that would do that? As an alternative, is there good software to control A/B roll from within Premiere so maybe we could just go tape-to-tape? We also have a Pentium Pro 180 available, but we don't have the W95 version of Premiere (although we could get it). Any suggestions of products to get and/or products to avoid would be mondo appreciated. Thank You!! BN _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu From weisman at pacificu.edu Wed Mar 11 16:40:10 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, termination, and maybe even some electronics. I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pitterk at whitman.edu Wed Mar 11 21:34:46 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. Seriously, try SASCO. --> Keiko On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > -Jeb > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | > | Services 97116 | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From irvw at linfield.edu Thu Mar 12 08:59:06 1998 From: irvw at linfield.edu (Irv Wiswall) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeb, as you know I've used both OPTEC and OGI telecom. I've been very happy wiht optec, less so with OGI. OGI subs out their larger projects to a firm I can't remember the name of, but haven't had them do any projects in that catagory yet. -Irv On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:36:16 -0800 Jeb Weisman wrote: > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > -Jeb > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | > | Services 97116 | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Thu Mar 12 09:07:32 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: Evergreen has used AT&T (with BETTS as subcontractor) and MACROCOM these past few years on various projects. MACROCOM has done very well. We had some problem with terminations by ATT. > ---------- > From: Keiko Pitter > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 9:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Networking vendors > > hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. > > Seriously, try SASCO. > > > --> Keiko > > On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > > > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. > I'm > > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 > copper, > > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > > > -Jeb > > > > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ > > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University > weisman@pacificu.edu | > > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) > | > > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 > (fax) | > > | Services 97116 > | > > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ > > > > > > From psheehan at odin.clark.edu Thu Mar 12 09:18:23 1998 From: psheehan at odin.clark.edu (Sheehan, Phil) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: <9BBAB8D4B5FED011AA190800095DCC1B01F426@odin.clark.edu> Jeb, Christenson Electric in Portland did some sanitary work for us a couple of years ago wiring a new building. I also had good results from Macrocom (800-827-3695) out of the Seattle area. We've used Optec in the past as well. Philip N. Sheehan Director of Computing Services Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA 98663 Tel: 360-992-2118 Fax: 360-992-2837 E-mail: psheehan@clark.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeb Weisman [SMTP:weisman@pacificu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 5:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Networking vendors > > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > -Jeb > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University > weisman@pacificu.edu | > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) > | > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) > | > | Services 97116 > | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ From aldrich at ups.edu Thu Mar 12 11:02:10 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: Keiko, Actually that sounds pretty good - they probably excel at redundancy or backup. I mean if one Walla goes down, you still have the other. ;) Tom At 9:56 PM 3/11/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. > >Seriously, try SASCO. > > >--> Keiko > >On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > >> Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. >> >> I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm >> looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, >> termination, and maybe even some electronics. >> >> I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. >> >> Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. >> >> -Jeb >> >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | Jeb Weisman Pacific University >>weisman@pacificu.edu | >> | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | >> | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | >> | Services 97116 | >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> >> From schlick at reed.edu Thu Mar 12 12:53:46 1998 From: schlick at reed.edu (Gary G Schlickeiser) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > We have used a variety of vendors, including Betts, Medak, Matrix Communications and Christenson. I have been very happy with Medak and Matrix, less so with Betts and Christenson. For small to medium size jobs, especially for fiber terminations, Matrix has consistantly given us the lowest bid. Gary Schlickeiser Reed College Director, Networking and Technical Services From mmyers at willamette.edu Thu Mar 12 13:05:46 1998 From: mmyers at willamette.edu (Mike Myers) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Walla Walla...the place so nice they named it twice... - Mike On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > Keiko, > > Actually that sounds pretty good - they probably excel at redundancy or > backup. I mean if one Walla goes down, you still have the other. ;) > > Tom > At 9:56 PM 3/11/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > >hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. > > > >Seriously, try SASCO. > > > > > >--> Keiko > > > >On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > > > >> Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > >> > >> I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > >> looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > >> termination, and maybe even some electronics. > >> > >> I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > >> > >> Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > >> > >> -Jeb > >> > >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> | Jeb Weisman Pacific University > >>weisman@pacificu.edu | > >> | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | > >> | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | > >> | Services 97116 | > >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> > >> > > > From rellis at ups.edu Fri Mar 13 12:23:02 1998 From: rellis at ups.edu (Raney Ellis) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Position Available Message-ID: <3509958D.B9663D74@ups.edu> Greetings... Just in case anyone is interested, or knows someone else who might be... Database Reporting Specialist. Full-time one-year position in Office of Information Systems (through March 31, 1999). Convert existing reports from Reportwriter to OracleReports. Work with departmental users to develop requirements for reports from institutional database and SCT Banner database; write reports and make them available to users. Train users in how to use query tools to access data to generate their own reports. Work with programming staff to configure query tools to simplify each user?s view of data. Function as primary liaison between users and programming staff in answering questions about and troubleshooting reports. Perform other duties as assigned. Bachelor?s degree or equivalent combination of related education and experience. Superior verbal and written communication skills; ability to train users in complex topics; and work experience requiring database use and programming in a SQL-compliant database query language also required. Experience in an Oracle environment and knowledge of OracleReports, Reportwriter, Developer/2000, Access, or BrioQuery desirable. Apply by March 19, 1998, at Human Resources Department, University of Puget Sound, Tacoma, WA. 253-756-3369 Raney Ellis Office of Information Systems University of Puget Sound 253-756-1497 rellis@ups.edu From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Mar 16 08:43:52 1998 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: SPRING MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: Announcing the NW-Heat 1998 Spring Meeting: "REAL TOOLS, REAL SOLUTIONS" April 24, 1998 Lewis & Clark College Templeton Student Center Thayer I, II and III 8:30 - 9:00 Registration and Coffee 9:00 - 9:30 Welcome, Introductions and Logistics 9:45 - 11:45 Morning Break-Out Sessions: Track A: Networked Services ---------------------------- Network management Tools and Tips Track B: User Services ---------------------------- Call tracking and Help/Solution Desk Tools and Tips 12:00 - 12:45 Lunch (deli buffet) 12:45 - 1:30 Tours: New Classrooms - New Technology Machine Room and Network Presentation / Television Studio Language and Art Labs 1:30 - 3:30 Afternoon Break-Out Sessions: Track A: Networked Services ---------------------------- Residence Hall Tools and Tips Track B: User Services ---------------------------- Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips 3:45 - 4:15 Wrap-up 4:15 - ??? Adjournment (off-campus libations for those interested) Please RSVP by email (ingerman@lclark.edu) or phone (503-768-7227) to let me know how many people will be attending from your institution. I need to have a final count by Friday, April 10 for our catering department. Each session can accomodate 30 people, so please bring staff that represent a balance between the two tracks. Current plans call for us to try to have computer projection for each session, but anyone interested in showing some tool or solution should plan on bringing their own notebook computer and the appropriate adapter cable to connect to a VGA LCD projector (640x480). If you have questions on using the projection, please let me know. The tours will be firmed up by the time you all arrive. We will probably be combining some of the tours listed above. We look forward to having you all visit our campus. --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Executive Director phone: 503-768-7227 Information Technology fax: 503-768-7228 Lewis & Clark College url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mmorandi at willamette.edu Thu Mar 26 11:33:39 1998 From: mmorandi at willamette.edu (Marti Morandi) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Historian for presentation (fwd) Message-ID: Do any of you have historians and/or philosophers who are using technology in teaching in innovative or at least progressive ways who might also be interested in doing a seminar of presentation for our faculty in the same departments? If so, we'd really like to hear from you with their e-mail addresses so that we can contact them for this purpose. Thanks, Marti Marti Morandi, Director Production and Operations Willamette Integrated Technology Services Willamette University Salem, OR 97301 (503)370-6650/mmorandi@willamette.edu From weisman at pacificu.edu Thu Mar 26 16:46:47 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:33 2004 Subject: Historian for presentation (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have an historian who is into web and multimedia stuff in a big way. His name is Jeff Barlow. he can be reached at barlowj@pacificu.edu +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Marti Morandi wrote: > > Do any of you have historians and/or philosophers who are using > technology in teaching in innovative or at least progressive ways who > might also be interested in doing a seminar of presentation for our > faculty in the same departments? If so, we'd really like to hear from > you with their e-mail addresses so that we can contact them for this purpose. > > Thanks, > Marti > > Marti Morandi, Director > Production and Operations > Willamette Integrated Technology Services > Willamette University > Salem, OR 97301 > (503)370-6650/mmorandi@willamette.edu > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Mon Mar 2 09:07:22 1998 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: <0EP700D5IBPNRK@plu.edu> Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS Office applications? We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. Margaret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University phone: (253)535-8470 e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From weisman at pacificu.edu Mon Mar 2 09:42:28 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: <0EP700D5IBPNRK@plu.edu> Message-ID: Margaret, We've been looking at this sort of thing, too. I haven't seen the Catapult package. However, from a classroom training point of view, they have excellent materials. One of the things that impressed us about them was that rather than simply re-writing the tutorials that usually come with the application, they wrote their own tutorial manuals from a real client needs point of view. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Margaret Worley wrote: > Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS > Office applications? > > We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. > > Margaret > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Margaret Worley > Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support > Computing and Telecommunication Services > Pacific Lutheran University > phone: (253)535-8470 > e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu > From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Mar 2 10:26:45 1998 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: <0EP700D5IBPNRK@plu.edu> Message-ID: Margaret: We are looking at some of the offerings from CBT Systems. They offer a lot of titles, and we are thinking of trying some of their Office and Win titles. --Bret At 9:40 AM -0800 3/2/98, Margaret Worley wrote: >Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS >Office applications? > >We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. > >Margaret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >Margaret Worley >Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support >Computing and Telecommunication Services >Pacific Lutheran University >phone: (253)535-8470 >e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From rminato at willamette.edu Mon Mar 2 11:28:15 1998 From: rminato at willamette.edu (Robert Minato) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic ... has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make a move to learn more about the software. I would think that those inclined to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get on with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more likely to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a workshop. I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and probably not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be curious to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to see if the materials work? Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office 98? Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word currently in use! (; r. From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Mon Mar 2 13:10:04 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: Hmm. Depends what is meant by on-line. We have looked into a few CD based, video based, and screen based tutorials from CTI, courseware technologies, and others. I'm not convinced that the material would be used. In some cases the material was not the most current. In some cases it did not function well under NT -- even though I was looking at a training package for NT. We have not explored WEB based tutorials which might be server based. pete > ---------- > From: Margaret Worley > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, March 2, 1998 9:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: On-line tutorials > > Does anyone have experience with purchased on-line tutorials for MS > Office applications? > > We're looking at a package from Catapult and need some input. > > Margaret > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Margaret Worley > Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support > Computing and Telecommunication Services > Pacific Lutheran University > phone: (253)535-8470 > e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Mon Mar 2 13:12:04 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: Our most successful sessions for staff have been general workshops offered in the Computer Cneter and customized to our audience. Faculty respond, but not real well, to summer institutes (where they are paid) and to one-on-one sessions focusing on their office needs. > ---------- > From: Robert Minato > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, March 2, 1998 11:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: On-line tutorials > > > Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic > ... > has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this > stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette > (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, > individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make > a > move to learn more about the software. I would think that those > inclined > to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get > on > with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more > likely > to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a > workshop. > > I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works > with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and > probably > not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be > curious > to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to > see > if the materials work? > > Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office > 98? > > Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word > currently in use! (; > > r. > > > From worleyme at plu.edu Mon Mar 2 14:50:14 1998 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0EP70071WRL2JM@plu.edu> Robert, We're in the process of doing a faculty/staff needs assessment and this will be one of the questions. We have a campus wide initiative to come up with a computer training plan. Since our software support staff is small (2), we don't have the luxury of developing our own materials or teach our own classes. We seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place because no one wants to spend the money to go off campus for a day. We're looking at the possibility of combining a few basic on-campus courses (taught by an outside vendor) and an on-line training package that we've seen. The package also has reporting capabilities so we can tell which employees have completed each section of the courses. No one said this was going to be easy. We'll keep trying... Thanks for the reply Margaret ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:50:57 -0800 From: Robert Minato Subject: Re: On-line tutorials To: Multiple recipients of list Reply-to: nw-heat@willamette.org Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic ... has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make a move to learn more about the software. I would think that those inclined to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get on with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more likely to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a workshop. I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and probably not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be curious to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to see if the materials work? Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office 98? Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word currently in use! (; r. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University phone: (253)535-8470 e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Mar 2 16:22:14 1998 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Spring Meeting Message-ID: I jst wanted to let everyone know that Lewis & Clark will be hosting the Spring NWHeat meeting on Friday, April 24. More information will follow (such as a schedule of events), but I wanted to give everyone ample notice so that they can mark it on their calendars. --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Executive Director phone: 503-768-7227 Information Technology fax: 503-768-7228 Lewis & Clark College url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pitterk at whitman.edu Mon Mar 2 20:20:20 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms In-Reply-To: <34F702EE.13F7@marylhurst.edu> Message-ID: if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? --> Keiko On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the > list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. > > -- Kathleen > > > > Pietras, Pete wrote: > > > > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support > > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months > > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning > > curve. > > > > pete > > > > > ---------- > > -- > Kathleen Paul, Director > Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > Marylhurst College > Marylhurst, OR 97036 > > (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > Fax: (503) 636-9526 > From aldrich at ups.edu Tue Mar 3 09:49:56 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: Keiko, Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," this is exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular package would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" session. Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? Tom \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > >--> Keiko > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. >> >> -- Kathleen >> >> >> >> Pietras, Pete wrote: >> > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning >> > curve. >> > >> > pete >> > >> > > ---------- >> >> -- >> Kathleen Paul, Director >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology >> Marylhurst College >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 >> >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 >> From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Mar 3 10:51:04 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: I agree. This seems like an excellent candidate for including and probably would generate some discussion. > ---------- > From: aldrich@ups.edu > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:36 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms > > Keiko, > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," > this is > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular > package > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" > session. > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > Tom > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > >--> Keiko > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if > the > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with > individuals. > >> > >> -- Kathleen > >> > >> > >> > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: > >> > > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and > support > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few > months > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high > learning > >> > curve. > >> > > >> > pete > >> > > >> > > ---------- > >> > >> -- > >> Kathleen Paul, Director > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > >> Marylhurst College > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 > >> > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 > >> > > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Tue Mar 3 15:49:31 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: On-line tutorials Message-ID: Another support resource we have tried at Evergreen with success is using "expert" student employees to provide individual tutorial with faculty in their office. We had 60 one-hour contact sessions on Word on the Windows or Mac platforms. It was successful and cost the institution under $1200 for student salary, documentation development, expertise building, and a small amount of follow-up. However, we haven't received additional funding to do it again, yet. > ---------- > From: Margaret Worley > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Monday, March 2, 1998 3:06 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: On-line tutorials > > Robert, > > We're in the process of doing a faculty/staff needs assessment and > this will be one of the questions. We have a campus wide initiative > to come up with a computer training plan. Since our software support > staff is small (2), we don't have the luxury of developing our own > materials or teach our own classes. > > We seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place because no one > wants to spend the money to go off campus for a day. We're looking > at the possibility of combining a few basic on-campus courses (taught > by an outside vendor) and an on-line training package that we've > seen. The package also has reporting capabilities so we can tell > which employees have completed each section of the courses. No one > said this was going to be easy. We'll keep trying... > > Thanks for the reply > Margaret > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:50:57 -0800 > From: Robert Minato > Subject: Re: On-line tutorials > To: Multiple recipients of list > Reply-to: nw-heat@willamette.org > > > Just a couple of questions 'cuz I'm a bit of a skeptic on this topic > ... > has anyone assessed whether or not your people will actually use this > stuff? We offer a number of training options here at Willamette > (regularly scheduled workshops, custom workshops for departments, > individual hand-holding) and a fair number of folks simply won't make > a > move to learn more about the software. I would think that those > inclined > to self-study will use the online help, buy a book, whatever, and get > on > with it. Those we haven't been able to get to are probably no more > likely > to check out the training CD than they are to ask for help or attend a > workshop. > > I looked at one product (PTS On-Demand Interactive Learning); it works > with Word running, but I thought it was at least as annoying and > probably > not much more helpful than the little Microsoft Assistant. I'd be > curious > to know if someone has tried anything out on an actual novice user to > see > if the materials work? > > Also, the cost to upgrade the tutorial when Microsoft releases Office > 98? > > Another hangup here at WU might be the 5 different versions of Word > currently in use! (; > > r. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Margaret Worley > Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support > Computing and Telecommunication Services > Pacific Lutheran University > phone: (253)535-8470 > e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu > From pitterk at whitman.edu Tue Mar 3 22:24:35 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? --> Keiko On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > Keiko, > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," this is > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular package > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" session. > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > Tom > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > >--> Keiko > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. > >> > >> -- Kathleen > >> > >> > >> > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: > >> > > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning > >> > curve. > >> > > >> > pete > >> > > >> > > ---------- > >> > >> -- > >> Kathleen Paul, Director > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > >> Marylhurst College > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 > >> > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 > >> > > > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Wed Mar 4 08:00:40 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: i agree...how abotu a quick demo of what it can do over web? > ---------- > From: Keiko Pitter > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms > > let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? > > --> Keiko > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > > > Keiko, > > > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," > this is > > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular > package > > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" > session. > > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > > > Tom > > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > > > >--> Keiko > > > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT > if the > > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with > individuals. > > >> > > >> -- Kathleen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: > > >> > > > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and > support > > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few > months > > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high > learning > > >> > curve. > > >> > > > >> > pete > > >> > > > >> > > ---------- > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Kathleen Paul, Director > > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology > > >> Marylhurst College > > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 > > >> > > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 > > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 > > >> > > > > > > > From aldrich at ups.edu Wed Mar 4 09:50:59 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: sounds good to me also. we could also demo webboard from o'reilly if folks are interested in an alternative to news At 8:17 AM 3/4/98, Pietras, Pete wrote: >i agree...how abotu a quick demo of what it can do over web? > >> ---------- >> From: Keiko Pitter >> Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:32 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms >> >> let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? >> >> --> Keiko >> >> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: >> >> > Keiko, >> > >> > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," >> this is >> > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular >> package >> > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" >> session. >> > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? >> > >> > Tom >> > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >> > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the >> > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? >> > > >> > >--> Keiko >> > > >> > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: >> > > >> > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT >> if the >> > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with >> individuals. >> > >> >> > >> -- Kathleen >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Pietras, Pete wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and >> support >> > >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few >> months >> > >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high >> learning >> > >> > curve. >> > >> > >> > >> > pete >> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------- >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Kathleen Paul, Director >> > >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology >> > >> Marylhurst College >> > >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 >> > >> >> > >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 >> > >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> From bnelson at willamette.edu Wed Mar 4 10:08:50 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (optional) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980304180850.0067bc80@gemini.willamette.edu> I set up Web Course in a Box and it is looking REALLY promising. No programming needed, and includes features such as Quizzes, Forums, etc. I will try to get some faculty feedback in the next week... BN At 10:32 PM 3/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? > >--> Keiko > >On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > >> Keiko, >> >> Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," this is >> exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular package >> would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" session. >> Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? >> >> Tom >> \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >> >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the >> >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? >> > >> >--> Keiko >> > >> >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: >> > >> >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT if the >> >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with individuals. >> >> >> >> -- Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pietras, Pete wrote: >> >> > >> >> > It might be useful to get a synopsis of the degree of use and support >> >> > issues with WebCT at some point. I looked at the package a few months >> >> > ago and thought it looked very good, but felt it had a high learning >> >> > curve. >> >> > >> >> > pete >> >> > >> >> > > ---------- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kathleen Paul, Director >> >> Distance Learning & Instructional Technology >> >> Marylhurst College >> >> Marylhurst, OR 97036 >> >> >> >> (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 >> >> Fax: (503) 636-9526 >> >> >> >> >> > > From kpaul at marylhurst.edu Wed Mar 4 10:44:35 1998 From: kpaul at marylhurst.edu (Kathleen Paul) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Structural questions re: media rooms References: Message-ID: <34FDA113.1B14@marylhurst.edu> Am happy to show what we're doing, talk about process, problems, etc. Does anyone else on the list have a WebCT project? It would be great to see several examples -- we do have over 30 courses running, ranging from a 100-level Pacific NW weather class to graduate MBA courses, and we can provide views to several. -- Kathleen Pietras, Pete wrote: > > i agree...how abotu a quick demo of what it can do over web? > > > ---------- > > From: Keiko Pitter > > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 1998 10:32 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: Structural questions re: media rooms > > > > let's ask Kathleen Paul to present her "findings" at the meeting? > > > > --> Keiko > > > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > > > > > Keiko, > > > > > > Given the theme of the conference is "Real Tools, Real Solutions," > > this is > > > exactly the kind of thing we should talk about, and this particular > > package > > > would fit nicely into the "Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips" > > session. > > > Bret, is that what you were thinking as well? > > > > > > Tom > > > \At 8:31 PM 3/2/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > > > >if there's that much interest..can we devote some time at the > > > >spring NW-HEAT meeting to this topic? > > > > > > > >--> Keiko > > > > > > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Kathleen Paul wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'd be happy to post some notes about our experience with WebCT > > if the > > > >> list is interested; otherwise happy to exchange mail with > > individuals. > > > >> > > > >> -- Kathleen > > > >> -- Kathleen Paul, Director Distance Learning & Instructional Technology Marylhurst College Marylhurst, OR 97036 (503) 636-8141 ext. 4456 Fax: (503) 636-9526 From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Wed Mar 4 14:06:20 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? Message-ID: Evergreen is close to selecting an anti-virus software suite. We have been evaluating and running copies of McAfee and Dr Solomon (and Virex for the Mac). We have begun to look into FPROT (not available on Macs). We'd like one suite, if possible, for all platforms. So far, costs look like $12,000-14,000. Does anyone have good/bad experience with any or all of these packages on Windows, Mac, Unix platforms? What about experience with Server based software checking email and/or attachments (although I'm not sure how they would do attachment checking)? If anyone has a summary of analysis they have completed, please send it to me. Please respond. I'll provide a summary after comments cease. pete From worleyme at plu.edu Thu Mar 5 09:56:07 1998 From: worleyme at plu.edu (Margaret Worley) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0EPC00N1PXU2FC@plu.edu> Pete, We're using McAfee on all of our pcs and a few of our lab macs. They're installed on each individual system though. Our experience has been mostly good. We may have found some problems with the latest version of McAfee running on NT but are researching those. Margaret ----------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:47:54 -0800 From: "Pietras, Pete" Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? To: Multiple recipients of list Reply-to: nw-heat@willamette.org Evergreen is close to selecting an anti-virus software suite. We have been evaluating and running copies of McAfee and Dr Solomon (and Virex for the Mac). We have begun to look into FPROT (not available on Macs). We'd like one suite, if possible, for all platforms. So far, costs look like $12,000-14,000. Does anyone have good/bad experience with any or all of these packages on Windows, Mac, Unix platforms? What about experience with Server based software checking email and/or attachments (although I'm not sure how they would do attachment checking)? If anyone has a summary of analysis they have completed, please send it to me. Please respond. I'll provide a summary after comments cease. pete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Margaret Worley Asst. Dir., User Services/Academic Support Computing and Telecommunication Services Pacific Lutheran University phone: (253)535-8470 e-mail: worleyme@plu.edu From mdunn at reed.edu Thu Mar 5 12:21:13 1998 From: mdunn at reed.edu (Marvin Dunn) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Anti-Virus software decisions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Pietras, Pete wrote: > Evergreen is close to selecting an anti-virus software suite. We have > been evaluating and running copies of McAfee and Dr Solomon (and Virex > for the Mac). We have begun to look into FPROT (not available on Macs). > We'd like one suite, if possible, for all platforms. So far, costs look > like $12,000-14,000. We're trying to make a similar decision at Reed. Part of the question is whether to provide virus protection for students. Is anyone doing that? If they're not protected, what level of support do you provide to students when they run into virus problems? One possible strategy we have talked about is to buy SAM for support staff and clean up after the fact. The majority of folks on campus are still using Word 5.1a so the Word Marco virus hasn't been too big of a problem (knock on wood). Also, we're kind of waiting to see what level of virus protection will be build into Office 98 for the Mac. Has anyone heard anything conclusive about that? I also contacted Thor Prichard from OETC (since he's a Reedie) to find out the "official" word on Washington schools participating in software purchases from them... here's what he says... Yes, Washington Schools can join the OETC. Anyone from the US, in fact. Only the name implies Oregon. For your convenience, here's the Dr. Solomon and McAfee pricing. Remember, this is ala-carte. Buy one media set and the number of licenses you need for the number of workstations you're and McAfee pricing. Remember, this is ala-carte. Buy one media set and the number of licenses you need for the number of workstations you're installing. Both vendors include 2 yrs of updates via the web. Documentation is electronic, on the media sets. Let me know if you have other questions! McAfee License Prices VirusScan Security Suite $10.10 NetShield Security Suite $9.50 Internet Security Suite $9.50 Total Virus Defense $16.20 PC Medic $4.10 Zero Administration Kit $27.60 Media, all platforms $15.90 -- Dr. Solomon's License Prices VIREX (for Macs) $13.80 VIREX Diskset $12.00 Workstation (win,win95,dos) $13.80 Workstation CD-ROM $24.00 Server (WinNT, Netware) $13.80 Server CD-ROM $24.00 _____________________ Yours in Cyberspace, ______________________ R. Thor Prichard contracts@oetc.org Contracts Manager http://www.oetc.org/ Oregon Educational Technology Consortium Voice 503 588 1343 PO Box 65, Salem, OR 97308-0065 Fax 503 581 0468 This does really answer Pete's question but ... -Marv Marv Dunn Computer User Services mdunn@reed.edu Reed College KC7HYD Portland, OR 97202 OOD 34 "Milagro" From weisman at pacificu.edu Fri Mar 6 08:33:45 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Powerbook use in high humidity area south America? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I asked Apple about the PowerBook humidity issue. They say the system should work fine up to 90% condensing humidity. I would add a caveat from my own experience doing fieldwork in various Mexican, Guatemalan, and Southeast Asian locales. Outside of direct water, it's a good idea to store the system in a well ventilated place (there is a tendency to protect such things in foot lockers, cabinets, etc. for security and such. Unfortunately moisture that builds up in the field may not be able evaporate out without good ventilation. Likewise, don't immediately shut the system down. Place it, running, in your protected storage space so the heat from the system can dry out residual mositure. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Pietras, Pete wrote: > Need some opinion asap: > > We have a faculty member who will be going south American to a high > humidity area. Does anyone know if the Apple Powerbook will stand up to > extreme high humidity? Any one have experience with faculty using Macs > in South America? > > She doesn't need a lot of fancy stuff, just a basic system for data > collection and analysis with a few weeks. > > Thanks > pete > > From bnelson at willamette.edu Fri Mar 6 10:51:54 1998 From: bnelson at willamette.edu (Bill Nelson) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: media editing Message-ID: Greetings all, You folks have had lots of experiences with different video editing solutions, so here's a good question... We need to edit together about a half hour TV show. We have a Mac 8500 with Adobe Premiere. When we edit video and output it at 1/4 screen size or smaller the video looks okay, but when we output video at full screen it looks more like a slide show than full motion video!! Are there add-in boards that would allow Premiere to output "real" video at, say, 24 frames per second or hardware/software combinations that would do that? As an alternative, is there good software to control A/B roll from within Premiere so maybe we could just go tape-to-tape? We also have a Pentium Pro 180 available, but we don't have the W95 version of Premiere (although we could get it). Any suggestions of products to get and/or products to avoid would be mondo appreciated. Thank You!! BN _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Nelson Tokyo International University of America P O Box 14040 Salem, OR, USA 97309 bnelson@willamette.edu From weisman at pacificu.edu Wed Mar 11 16:40:10 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, termination, and maybe even some electronics. I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. -Jeb +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pitterk at whitman.edu Wed Mar 11 21:34:46 1998 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. Seriously, try SASCO. --> Keiko On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > -Jeb > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | > | Services 97116 | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From irvw at linfield.edu Thu Mar 12 08:59:06 1998 From: irvw at linfield.edu (Irv Wiswall) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeb, as you know I've used both OPTEC and OGI telecom. I've been very happy wiht optec, less so with OGI. OGI subs out their larger projects to a firm I can't remember the name of, but haven't had them do any projects in that catagory yet. -Irv On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:36:16 -0800 Jeb Weisman wrote: > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > -Jeb > > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | > | Services 97116 | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Thu Mar 12 09:07:32 1998 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Pete) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: Evergreen has used AT&T (with BETTS as subcontractor) and MACROCOM these past few years on various projects. MACROCOM has done very well. We had some problem with terminations by ATT. > ---------- > From: Keiko Pitter > Reply To: nw-heat@willamette.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 9:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Networking vendors > > hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. > > Seriously, try SASCO. > > > --> Keiko > > On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > > > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. > I'm > > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 > copper, > > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > > > -Jeb > > > > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ > > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University > weisman@pacificu.edu | > > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) > | > > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 > (fax) | > > | Services 97116 > | > > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ > > > > > > From psheehan at odin.clark.edu Thu Mar 12 09:18:23 1998 From: psheehan at odin.clark.edu (Sheehan, Phil) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: <9BBAB8D4B5FED011AA190800095DCC1B01F426@odin.clark.edu> Jeb, Christenson Electric in Portland did some sanitary work for us a couple of years ago wiring a new building. I also had good results from Macrocom (800-827-3695) out of the Seattle area. We've used Optec in the past as well. Philip N. Sheehan Director of Computing Services Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA 98663 Tel: 360-992-2118 Fax: 360-992-2837 E-mail: psheehan@clark.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeb Weisman [SMTP:weisman@pacificu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 5:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Networking vendors > > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > > Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > > -Jeb > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ > | Jeb Weisman Pacific University > weisman@pacificu.edu | > | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) > | > | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) > | > | Services 97116 > | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > --+ From aldrich at ups.edu Thu Mar 12 11:02:10 1998 From: aldrich at ups.edu (Tom Aldrich) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors Message-ID: Keiko, Actually that sounds pretty good - they probably excel at redundancy or backup. I mean if one Walla goes down, you still have the other. ;) Tom At 9:56 PM 3/11/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: >hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. > >Seriously, try SASCO. > > >--> Keiko > >On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > >> Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. >> >> I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm >> looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, >> termination, and maybe even some electronics. >> >> I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. >> >> Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. >> >> -Jeb >> >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | Jeb Weisman Pacific University >>weisman@pacificu.edu | >> | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | >> | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | >> | Services 97116 | >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> >> From schlick at reed.edu Thu Mar 12 12:53:46 1998 From: schlick at reed.edu (Gary G Schlickeiser) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > > I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > termination, and maybe even some electronics. > > I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > We have used a variety of vendors, including Betts, Medak, Matrix Communications and Christenson. I have been very happy with Medak and Matrix, less so with Betts and Christenson. For small to medium size jobs, especially for fiber terminations, Matrix has consistantly given us the lowest bid. Gary Schlickeiser Reed College Director, Networking and Technical Services From mmyers at willamette.edu Thu Mar 12 13:05:46 1998 From: mmyers at willamette.edu (Mike Myers) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Networking vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Walla Walla...the place so nice they named it twice... - Mike On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Tom Aldrich wrote: > Keiko, > > Actually that sounds pretty good - they probably excel at redundancy or > backup. I mean if one Walla goes down, you still have the other. ;) > > Tom > At 9:56 PM 3/11/98, Keiko Pitter wrote: > >hey... how's Walla Walla Electric :) I'm just kidding. > > > >Seriously, try SASCO. > > > > > >--> Keiko > > > >On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Jeb Weisman wrote: > > > >> Hi gang. It's collective wisdom time. > >> > >> I'm looking for a list of good vendors for doing networking work. I'm > >> looking for someone who can do a nice job with fiber and CAT 5 copper, > >> termination, and maybe even some electronics. > >> > >> I've got OPTEC and OGITelecomm. > >> > >> Can y'all suggest others? I will summarize. > >> > >> -Jeb > >> > >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> | Jeb Weisman Pacific University > >>weisman@pacificu.edu | > >> | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | > >> | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | > >> | Services 97116 | > >> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> > >> > > > From rellis at ups.edu Fri Mar 13 12:23:02 1998 From: rellis at ups.edu (Raney Ellis) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Position Available Message-ID: <3509958D.B9663D74@ups.edu> Greetings... Just in case anyone is interested, or knows someone else who might be... Database Reporting Specialist. Full-time one-year position in Office of Information Systems (through March 31, 1999). Convert existing reports from Reportwriter to OracleReports. Work with departmental users to develop requirements for reports from institutional database and SCT Banner database; write reports and make them available to users. Train users in how to use query tools to access data to generate their own reports. Work with programming staff to configure query tools to simplify each user?s view of data. Function as primary liaison between users and programming staff in answering questions about and troubleshooting reports. Perform other duties as assigned. Bachelor?s degree or equivalent combination of related education and experience. Superior verbal and written communication skills; ability to train users in complex topics; and work experience requiring database use and programming in a SQL-compliant database query language also required. Experience in an Oracle environment and knowledge of OracleReports, Reportwriter, Developer/2000, Access, or BrioQuery desirable. Apply by March 19, 1998, at Human Resources Department, University of Puget Sound, Tacoma, WA. 253-756-3369 Raney Ellis Office of Information Systems University of Puget Sound 253-756-1497 rellis@ups.edu From ingerman at lclark.edu Mon Mar 16 08:43:52 1998 From: ingerman at lclark.edu (Bret Ingerman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: SPRING MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: Announcing the NW-Heat 1998 Spring Meeting: "REAL TOOLS, REAL SOLUTIONS" April 24, 1998 Lewis & Clark College Templeton Student Center Thayer I, II and III 8:30 - 9:00 Registration and Coffee 9:00 - 9:30 Welcome, Introductions and Logistics 9:45 - 11:45 Morning Break-Out Sessions: Track A: Networked Services ---------------------------- Network management Tools and Tips Track B: User Services ---------------------------- Call tracking and Help/Solution Desk Tools and Tips 12:00 - 12:45 Lunch (deli buffet) 12:45 - 1:30 Tours: New Classrooms - New Technology Machine Room and Network Presentation / Television Studio Language and Art Labs 1:30 - 3:30 Afternoon Break-Out Sessions: Track A: Networked Services ---------------------------- Residence Hall Tools and Tips Track B: User Services ---------------------------- Web-based Curricular Tools and Tips 3:45 - 4:15 Wrap-up 4:15 - ??? Adjournment (off-campus libations for those interested) Please RSVP by email (ingerman@lclark.edu) or phone (503-768-7227) to let me know how many people will be attending from your institution. I need to have a final count by Friday, April 10 for our catering department. Each session can accomodate 30 people, so please bring staff that represent a balance between the two tracks. Current plans call for us to try to have computer projection for each session, but anyone interested in showing some tool or solution should plan on bringing their own notebook computer and the appropriate adapter cable to connect to a VGA LCD projector (640x480). If you have questions on using the projection, please let me know. The tours will be firmed up by the time you all arrive. We will probably be combining some of the tours listed above. We look forward to having you all visit our campus. --Bret ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bret Ingerman e-mail: ingerman@lclark.edu Executive Director phone: 503-768-7227 Information Technology fax: 503-768-7228 Lewis & Clark College url: http://www.lclark.edu/~ingerman 0615 S.W. Palatine Hill Road Portland, OR 97219-7899 USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mmorandi at willamette.edu Thu Mar 26 11:33:39 1998 From: mmorandi at willamette.edu (Marti Morandi) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Historian for presentation (fwd) Message-ID: Do any of you have historians and/or philosophers who are using technology in teaching in innovative or at least progressive ways who might also be interested in doing a seminar of presentation for our faculty in the same departments? If so, we'd really like to hear from you with their e-mail addresses so that we can contact them for this purpose. Thanks, Marti Marti Morandi, Director Production and Operations Willamette Integrated Technology Services Willamette University Salem, OR 97301 (503)370-6650/mmorandi@willamette.edu From weisman at pacificu.edu Thu Mar 26 16:46:47 1998 From: weisman at pacificu.edu (Jeb Weisman) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:20 2006 Subject: Historian for presentation (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have an historian who is into web and multimedia stuff in a big way. His name is Jeff Barlow. he can be reached at barlowj@pacificu.edu +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeb Weisman Pacific University weisman@pacificu.edu | | Director 2043 College Way (503)359-2944 (vox) | | University Information Forest Grove, OR (503)359-3162 (fax) | | Services 97116 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Marti Morandi wrote: > > Do any of you have historians and/or philosophers who are using > technology in teaching in innovative or at least progressive ways who > might also be interested in doing a seminar of presentation for our > faculty in the same departments? If so, we'd really like to hear from > you with their e-mail addresses so that we can contact them for this purpose. > > Thanks, > Marti > > Marti Morandi, Director > Production and Operations > Willamette Integrated Technology Services > Willamette University > Salem, OR 97301 > (503)370-6650/mmorandi@willamette.edu > > >