From irvw at linfield.edu Wed Jun 9 09:30:38 2004 From: irvw at linfield.edu (Irv Wiswall) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:46 2004 Subject: iTunes on campus Message-ID: <2147483647.1086773438@[10.219.171.53]> Folks, Describes Apple's iTunes on campus program. Is anyone planning on, or thinking about, participating? As I understand it, this simply gives participants the right to distribute iTunes, an already free package, for free ourselves. The benefit I see is that it would allow us to provide a legal media acquisition alternative while discouraging pirating. The downsides I see are that it (1) promotes a commercial solution preferentially to others and (2) while iTunes is pretty fool proof, this might put us in a support posture at a time when we are trying to constrain services. What do ya'll think? -Irv From pitterk at whitman.edu Wed Jun 9 14:33:17 2004 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:46 2004 Subject: iTunes on campus In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1086773438@[10.219.171.53]> Message-ID: <20040609212705Z71884-23660+6067@jupiter.whitman.edu> Let's add this to our discussion next Wednesday... Getting ready for September! > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-heat@nw-heat.org [mailto:nw-heat@nw-heat.org] On > Behalf Of Irv Wiswall > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: iTunes on campus > > Folks, > > > Describes Apple's iTunes on campus program. Is anyone > planning on, or > thinking about, participating? > > As I understand it, this simply gives participants the right > to distribute > iTunes, an already free package, for free ourselves. > > The benefit I see is that it would allow us to provide a legal media > acquisition alternative while discouraging pirating. > > The downsides I see are that it (1) promotes a commercial solution > preferentially to others and (2) while iTunes is pretty fool > proof, this > might put us in a support posture at a time when we are > trying to constrain > services. > > What do ya'll think? > > -Irv > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Mon Jun 14 07:46:34 2004 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Julian) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:46 2004 Subject: NWHEAT Agenda adds Message-ID: <71F49580D990534385198EE57113570009ED1638@Rainbow> Can we add to our agenda the following: Support of the "Roaming Student" and faculty. How do we support students and faculty coming with multiple personal devices, high speed wireless, and the desire to maintain "community" on and off campus. Operable walls for computer labs -- suggestions, experiences, and pictures? (I'll bring some of my information on this and our new Computer Center plans as we remodel the Library building next year. Thanks Julian -----Original Message----- From: Keiko Pitter [mailto:pitterk@whitman.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: iTunes on campus Let's add this to our discussion next Wednesday... Getting ready for September! > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-heat@nw-heat.org [mailto:nw-heat@nw-heat.org] On > Behalf Of Irv Wiswall > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: iTunes on campus > > Folks, > > > Describes Apple's iTunes on campus program. Is anyone > planning on, or > thinking about, participating? > > As I understand it, this simply gives participants the right > to distribute > iTunes, an already free package, for free ourselves. > > The benefit I see is that it would allow us to provide a legal media > acquisition alternative while discouraging pirating. > > The downsides I see are that it (1) promotes a commercial solution > preferentially to others and (2) while iTunes is pretty fool > proof, this > might put us in a support posture at a time when we are > trying to constrain > services. > > What do ya'll think? > > -Irv > From hinzra at whitman.edu Mon Jun 14 13:46:44 2004 From: hinzra at whitman.edu (Rich Hinz) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:46 2004 Subject: Northwest Heat meting at Reed College Message-ID: <20040614204015Z65625-23659+23602@jupiter.whitman.edu> Hey folks, Just a reminder about the Northwest Heat meeting at Reed on: Wednesday June 16th: Time: 1:30pm - 4:00pm Location: Educational Technology Center (aka ETC), Rooms 205 & 208, Reed College, Portland Oregon The meeting information for the topics is below and more detailed information can be found at http://www.nw-heat.org/summer2004.html See You there! Track 1: Preparing for September --- After our experience with viruses last fall, I'm sure we are all trying to figure out what to expect and what to do this coming fall. Let's get together and share good ideas you've already thought of...and brain storm on others. MAKE SURE YOU COME TO SHARE WHAT YOU ARE DOING...WHAT YOU WISH YOU CAN DO (other than to get rid of all students) AND TO BRAINSTORM. Track 2: Web Services -- Every one of us has developed some little Web apps that are just so sweet. Let's have Web development people come to this get together with their "brag" lists---show & tell. Share your ideas and/or source code. Then again, brain storm on other things we can do. PLEASE COME PREPARED TO "BRAG" ABOUT SOME OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE. WE WILL BRAINSTORM HERE AS WELL. Rich Hinz Developer, Application Support Whitman College hinzra@whitman.edu From cstevens at lclark.edu Thu Jun 17 09:05:54 2004 From: cstevens at lclark.edu (Chris Stevens) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:46 2004 Subject: Audible Magic P2P Appliance Message-ID: <000001c45484$f811d130$3b15af95@nats> We are currently testing a Peer-to-Peer filtering appliance from Audible Magic. This device works by comparing each P2P packet against a database to see if there are copyrighted materials being transferred. We are leaning against purchasing this appliance because we are not sure if we want to police our students in this manner. However, we will have it installed for another week so I thought many of you would find the reporting capabilities interesting: http://audiblemagic.lclark.edu Username: trmon Password: reports To see which files are being shared, select "Search for a file with metadata similar to" and enter in "%" (without the quotes) as the search string. Finally, it costs about $14,000 for a 45Mps model. Chris Stevens Director of Network and Technical Services Lewis & Clark College From allendp at plu.edu Thu Jun 17 16:42:35 2004 From: allendp at plu.edu (David P. Allen) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:34:46 2004 Subject: Audible Magic P2P Appliance In-Reply-To: <000001c45484$f811d130$3b15af95@nats> References: <000001c45484$f811d130$3b15af95@nats> Message-ID: <40D22C6B.5020503@plu.edu> Chris Stevens wrote: >We are currently testing a Peer-to-Peer filtering appliance from Audible >Magic. This device works by comparing each P2P packet against a >database to see if there are copyrighted materials being transferred. > >We are leaning against purchasing this appliance because we are not sure >if we want to police our students in this manner. However, we will have >it installed for another week so I thought many of you would find the >reporting capabilities interesting: > >http://audiblemagic.lclark.edu >Username: trmon >Password: reports > >To see which files are being shared, select "Search for a file with >metadata similar to" and enter in "%" (without the quotes) as the search >string. > >Finally, it costs about $14,000 for a 45Mps model. > > Wow, I'm not sure we would want to see the content of the sharing going on either. Certainly looks like an interesting tool, but I would hate to consider what the liability for the school would be now that you can see what is actually being transferred. Besides the obvious copyright issues you're dealing with, what if some of that material (child porn for example) transits through this system. Does the school then have liability for _not_ stopping/dealing with it because they "knew"? I hate to say it, but that is probably a strong reason _not_ to purchase/use this system, assuming your institution is not going down the road of full-blown content filtering. Thanks for sharing! -- David P. Allen Asst. Dir., Network & Communication Systems Pacific Lutheran University { (253) 535-7524 | "...one of the main causes of the fall of } { allendp@PLU.edu | Rome was that, lacking zero, they had no } { www.plu.edu/~allendp | way to indicate successful termination of } { | their C programs." --Robert Firth } From irvw at linfield.edu Wed Jun 9 09:30:38 2004 From: irvw at linfield.edu (Irv Wiswall) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:23 2006 Subject: iTunes on campus Message-ID: <2147483647.1086773438@[10.219.171.53]> Folks, Describes Apple's iTunes on campus program. Is anyone planning on, or thinking about, participating? As I understand it, this simply gives participants the right to distribute iTunes, an already free package, for free ourselves. The benefit I see is that it would allow us to provide a legal media acquisition alternative while discouraging pirating. The downsides I see are that it (1) promotes a commercial solution preferentially to others and (2) while iTunes is pretty fool proof, this might put us in a support posture at a time when we are trying to constrain services. What do ya'll think? -Irv From pitterk at whitman.edu Wed Jun 9 14:33:17 2004 From: pitterk at whitman.edu (Keiko Pitter) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:23 2006 Subject: iTunes on campus In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1086773438@[10.219.171.53]> Message-ID: <20040609212705Z71884-23660+6067@jupiter.whitman.edu> Let's add this to our discussion next Wednesday... Getting ready for September! > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-heat@nw-heat.org [mailto:nw-heat@nw-heat.org] On > Behalf Of Irv Wiswall > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: iTunes on campus > > Folks, > > > Describes Apple's iTunes on campus program. Is anyone > planning on, or > thinking about, participating? > > As I understand it, this simply gives participants the right > to distribute > iTunes, an already free package, for free ourselves. > > The benefit I see is that it would allow us to provide a legal media > acquisition alternative while discouraging pirating. > > The downsides I see are that it (1) promotes a commercial solution > preferentially to others and (2) while iTunes is pretty fool > proof, this > might put us in a support posture at a time when we are > trying to constrain > services. > > What do ya'll think? > > -Irv > From PietrasP at evergreen.edu Mon Jun 14 07:46:34 2004 From: PietrasP at evergreen.edu (Pietras, Julian) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:23 2006 Subject: NWHEAT Agenda adds Message-ID: <71F49580D990534385198EE57113570009ED1638@Rainbow> Can we add to our agenda the following: Support of the "Roaming Student" and faculty. How do we support students and faculty coming with multiple personal devices, high speed wireless, and the desire to maintain "community" on and off campus. Operable walls for computer labs -- suggestions, experiences, and pictures? (I'll bring some of my information on this and our new Computer Center plans as we remodel the Library building next year. Thanks Julian -----Original Message----- From: Keiko Pitter [mailto:pitterk@whitman.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: iTunes on campus Let's add this to our discussion next Wednesday... Getting ready for September! > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-heat@nw-heat.org [mailto:nw-heat@nw-heat.org] On > Behalf Of Irv Wiswall > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: iTunes on campus > > Folks, > > > Describes Apple's iTunes on campus program. Is anyone > planning on, or > thinking about, participating? > > As I understand it, this simply gives participants the right > to distribute > iTunes, an already free package, for free ourselves. > > The benefit I see is that it would allow us to provide a legal media > acquisition alternative while discouraging pirating. > > The downsides I see are that it (1) promotes a commercial solution > preferentially to others and (2) while iTunes is pretty fool > proof, this > might put us in a support posture at a time when we are > trying to constrain > services. > > What do ya'll think? > > -Irv > From hinzra at whitman.edu Mon Jun 14 13:46:44 2004 From: hinzra at whitman.edu (Rich Hinz) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:23 2006 Subject: Northwest Heat meting at Reed College Message-ID: <20040614204015Z65625-23659+23602@jupiter.whitman.edu> Hey folks, Just a reminder about the Northwest Heat meeting at Reed on: Wednesday June 16th: Time: 1:30pm - 4:00pm Location: Educational Technology Center (aka ETC), Rooms 205 & 208, Reed College, Portland Oregon The meeting information for the topics is below and more detailed information can be found at http://www.nw-heat.org/summer2004.html See You there! Track 1: Preparing for September --- After our experience with viruses last fall, I'm sure we are all trying to figure out what to expect and what to do this coming fall. Let's get together and share good ideas you've already thought of...and brain storm on others. MAKE SURE YOU COME TO SHARE WHAT YOU ARE DOING...WHAT YOU WISH YOU CAN DO (other than to get rid of all students) AND TO BRAINSTORM. Track 2: Web Services -- Every one of us has developed some little Web apps that are just so sweet. Let's have Web development people come to this get together with their "brag" lists---show & tell. Share your ideas and/or source code. Then again, brain storm on other things we can do. PLEASE COME PREPARED TO "BRAG" ABOUT SOME OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE. WE WILL BRAINSTORM HERE AS WELL. Rich Hinz Developer, Application Support Whitman College hinzra@whitman.edu From cstevens at lclark.edu Thu Jun 17 09:05:54 2004 From: cstevens at lclark.edu (Chris Stevens) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:23 2006 Subject: Audible Magic P2P Appliance Message-ID: <000001c45484$f811d130$3b15af95@nats> We are currently testing a Peer-to-Peer filtering appliance from Audible Magic. This device works by comparing each P2P packet against a database to see if there are copyrighted materials being transferred. We are leaning against purchasing this appliance because we are not sure if we want to police our students in this manner. However, we will have it installed for another week so I thought many of you would find the reporting capabilities interesting: http://audiblemagic.lclark.edu Username: trmon Password: reports To see which files are being shared, select "Search for a file with metadata similar to" and enter in "%" (without the quotes) as the search string. Finally, it costs about $14,000 for a 45Mps model. Chris Stevens Director of Network and Technical Services Lewis & Clark College From allendp at plu.edu Thu Jun 17 16:42:35 2004 From: allendp at plu.edu (David P. Allen) Date: Thu Oct 5 10:00:23 2006 Subject: Audible Magic P2P Appliance In-Reply-To: <000001c45484$f811d130$3b15af95@nats> References: <000001c45484$f811d130$3b15af95@nats> Message-ID: <40D22C6B.5020503@plu.edu> Chris Stevens wrote: >We are currently testing a Peer-to-Peer filtering appliance from Audible >Magic. This device works by comparing each P2P packet against a >database to see if there are copyrighted materials being transferred. > >We are leaning against purchasing this appliance because we are not sure >if we want to police our students in this manner. However, we will have >it installed for another week so I thought many of you would find the >reporting capabilities interesting: > >http://audiblemagic.lclark.edu >Username: trmon >Password: reports > >To see which files are being shared, select "Search for a file with >metadata similar to" and enter in "%" (without the quotes) as the search >string. > >Finally, it costs about $14,000 for a 45Mps model. > > Wow, I'm not sure we would want to see the content of the sharing going on either. Certainly looks like an interesting tool, but I would hate to consider what the liability for the school would be now that you can see what is actually being transferred. Besides the obvious copyright issues you're dealing with, what if some of that material (child porn for example) transits through this system. Does the school then have liability for _not_ stopping/dealing with it because they "knew"? I hate to say it, but that is probably a strong reason _not_ to purchase/use this system, assuming your institution is not going down the road of full-blown content filtering. Thanks for sharing! -- David P. Allen Asst. Dir., Network & Communication Systems Pacific Lutheran University { (253) 535-7524 | "...one of the main causes of the fall of } { allendp@PLU.edu | Rome was that, lacking zero, they had no } { www.plu.edu/~allendp | way to indicate successful termination of } { | their C programs." --Robert Firth }